For the love of god ($2 $4 hand)

Hectorjelly

Villain of this hand is very loose and ultra aggressive. Not a total idiot but not far off it. (She limps Q4o and up!) Makes a lot of money by pushing people off hands (including me when I came to the table). Her raise preflop is unusual though and is probably a high pair or 2 broadway cards with the emphasis on AK AQ.

I limp after utg limper with 44. BB who is villain raises to 20 . Utg and I call. Flop is 4 6 8 with 2 clubs. She bets out 15. Utg calls. I make it 60. Only the villain calls. Turn is a 7 and she checks. There is around 200 in the pot and we both have 500 more. Whats the best course of action?

I think there is almost no chance she has a 5 in her hand, however she wouldnt know that about me. I also have a feeling she doesnt have an overpair and she probably would of 3 bet that all in on the flop. A flush draw is a possibility but she could well just have 2 random overcards. She is ULTRA aggressive.

Shortstack

Hectorjelly wrote:

Villain of this hand is very loose and ultra aggressive. Not a total idiot but not far off it. (She limps Q4o and up!) Makes a lot of money by pushing people off hands (including me when I came to the table). Her raise preflop is unusual though and is probably a high pair or 2 broadway cards with the emphasis on AK AQ.

I limp after utg limper with 44. BB who is villain raises to 20 . Utg and I call. Flop is 4 6 8 with 2 clubs. She bets out 15. Utg calls. I make it 60. Only the villain calls. Turn is a 7 and she checks. There is around 200 in the pot and we both have 500 more. Whats the best course of action?

I think there is almost no chance she has a 5 in her hand, however she wouldnt know that about me. I also have a feeling she doesnt have an overpair and she probably would of 3 bet that all in on the flop. A flush draw is a possibility but she could well just have 2 random overcards. She is ULTRA aggressive.

If she is ultra aggressive 'why is she checking' would be my thoughts. If i was sure she had not got me beat I would weak lead hoping for her aggression to rear it's head again. If you think she is flushing then you should bet half pot or more.

If she normally linps then I would put her on AK/AQ with the raise or any PP. I doubt I am letting this hand go to her.

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

was the 7 on fourth street a club?

from the tone of your post, i'd say you couldn't see any reason not to push, and so you pushed, or raised big...

Hectorjelly

Roundtower2 wrote:

was the 7 on fourth street a club?

from the tone of your post, i'd say you couldn't see any reason not to push, and so you pushed, or raised big...

No it wasnt.

Theres 180 in the pot. We both have over 500(!) left. I push on the turn here given those stack sizes (irregardless of cards and opponent) maybe one time in ten thousand.

Added to that theres 4 cards to a straight there and Im against an aggressive opponent who is liable to make a move, but isnt stupid enough to call all in with A hi.

NickyOD

Surely she's not bad enough to call the flop raise with anything other than a flush draw or overpair? It looks a lot like a flush draw to me. Seems like the only reason to make the small bet on the flop.

If you bet the turn she will call with the flush draw and fold everything else.

If you check behind she will most likely lead out on the river club or no club but probably not as much as she would call on the turn on her draw.

I bet 150.

ocallagh

hmm... aggressive player calling.. draw or trap... She either has AA, 88 or 2 clubs.. KQc, AQc, AKc. I'd bet the turn, about 150 as Nicky said and see wat she does on the river.

Bozzer

Nobody’s mentioned anything about the flop raise yet. It was only a ½ pot raise. I would have made it 100(maybe even a bit bigger).
The pot is 3way and this is a draw heavy board. You could be pricing in a lot of collective outs against your set.

The LAG will still call with the flush draws and a 3bet push with o/pairs is a little more natural. Charges third player more if he’s holding something like 56/67.
I’m guessing you were hoping to induce a reraise from the ultra aggro with your smallish raise, but it may not be too likely on this board with a 3rd player in between.
If just LAG calls a 100 raise on flop, pot will now be 280 on the turn with 460 stacks. Better chance of villain fu**ing up than with a 200 pot and 500 behind.

In any case, I think you should concentrate on building a larger pot and protecting your hand with a bigger flop raise.

I’d like to hear your thoughts on this. I go now to bed.

paler

Most likely yer ahead. As shes very aggressive and liable to make a move, let her bet out. i think i'd check call there.

Hectorjelly

Im not worried about 88 at all, I doubt she would play the hand like that. I think her range is way way wider than overpair/set/daw

I raised smaller than normal because I wanted to raise an amount she would call with just 2 overcards hoping to take it off me on the turn/river. If she has an overpair we are probably going to get it all in at some stage anyway.

Bozzer

Hectorjelly wrote:

I raised smaller than normal because I wanted to raise an amount she would call with just 2 overcards hoping to take it off me on the turn/river. If she has an overpair we are probably going to get it all in at some stage anyway.

Still don’t like your raise. Opponent is truly terrible if she can call a raise there with just o/cards. If you expect villain can call your raise with overs, then I think 3rd player closing the action calls > 50% of time. This would mean that 14/15 cards can come on turn which kill your hand or kill your action. Also say third player had come along after lag calls your raise and a blank falls on turn, how likely is villain to fire into 2 opponents with just overs? I prefer your play if pot was heads up, but with the guy in the middle I don’t like it.

A bigger raise is clearly the best play if villain has a flush draw. It is better(by less of a margin) if villain has an overpair. It is better considering there is a 3rd opponent in the pot.

A bigger raise is worse if villain has just overcards, but the EV you gain from the above scenarios likely outweigh the EV you give up against overcards.

Hectorjelly

Bozzer wrote:

A bigger raise is clearly the best play if villain has a flush draw. It is better(by less of a margin) if villain has an overpair. It is better considering there is a 3rd opponent in the pot.

A bigger raise is worse if villain has just overcards, but the EV you gain from the above scenarios likely outweigh the EV you give up against overcards.

You're probably right. However having got to the turn with those stacks what would you do?