$50 SnG Scenario

NickyOD

$50 SnG on Party. These are 10 player semi turbo SnGs. Blinds go up every 10 hands. payouts 250/150/100.

In this hand I would have jammed if folded to me but now 2 very shortstacks are all in ahead of me, and the big chip leader will still have a decision to make after me.

What should I do?

***** Hand History for Game 3404994511 *****
200/400 TOURNEY TEXAS HOLD'EM GAME TABLE (NL) (TOURNAMENT 19382661) - FRI JAN 20 16:46:04 EST 2006
Table Table 68259 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: NickyOD (1925)
Seat 3: weirdwayne (4210)
Seat 4: wnuckols (1265)
Seat 8: ohtkh (605)
Seat 9: Acool (620)
Seat 10: mhasch (1375)
NickyOD posts small blind (100)
weirdwayne posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NickyOD [ Js, Kd ]
wnuckols folds.
ohtkh raises (605) to 605
ohtkh is all-In.
Acool raises (620) to 620
Acool is all-In.
mhasch folds.
NickyOD ???????

califano

Gamboool!. The only Gamboool would be push all-in to keep weirdwayne who hopefully for you hasnt got a hand out. Youve likely got the best hand and an ideal oppertunity to k.o 2 i'd say and even if you dont you'll have another chance.

ntlbell

rounders123 wrote:

Gamboool!. The only Gamboool would be push all-in to keep weirdwayne who hopefully for you hasnt got a hand out. Youve likely got the best hand and an ideal oppertunity to k.o 2 i'd say and even if you dont you'll have another chance.

Can you re-raise an under raise on party?

califano

ntlbell wrote:

Can you re-raise an under raise on party?

weirdwayne (4210) has yet to act.
You been suppin on grampas old cough medicene?:D

a-k-47

id fold let em duke it out!, calling and losing will have u shortstacked, rounders what makes you think he is ahead? because they are simply short stacked?.

so what did u do nicky re raise all in? get called by the cl and take it down with a str8?

califano

look at the blinds, the bet is only 200 above the blind. even if he isnt ahead who cares. this is a great chance in this turbo like format. Besides that he's getting good odds.

ntlbell

rounders123 wrote:

weirdwayne (4210) has yet to act.
You been suppin on grampas old cough medicene?:D

Ah, no the worrying part is i'm sober!


In that case I think it's a definite push, wayne won't have the odds to call plus he'll probably put you on a much stronger holding than kj he has 3 all-ins in front of him he needs AK/KK or AA to call. as rounders says gambooool

Bp!

Im struggling to see anything but folding here most times, my thinkin would be theres a good chance my K has a good chance of being dominated (at least)from one play, hard to see it been a race against 2 underpairs and pushing will only get CL to fold anything thats not beating you,id rather be the aggressor with KJ as u said ...though saying that it is oly a Sit and Go......:D

very interested to see other views

woe lotta posts since i went to post, point taking...its a turbo !!

Ollieboy

It will cost 510 to call, if you call, the last player to act will call if he has a big hand, unless its a massive hand, ie, we all want to see the flop and knock out 2 players.

Its going to cost you 510 to call, leaving you with 1400 and still 2nd in stack size, your also giving these players more chips to win. I would expect you to be behind here, anything from a mid pair to ak, aq aj suit or not suit. The second player could have 1010 to KK here. Either way, your going to need a massive flop to take the hand.

I would fold and wait for a better chance and let them fight it out, but if your an aggressive player, your always going to call due to pot odds.

Lafortezza

I'd fold, KJo is likely to be boned 3-way, unless you know the Villains and know they can push with crap.

NickyOD

lafortezza wrote:

I'd fold, KJo is likely to be boned 3-way, unless you know the Villains and know they can push with crap.

They both have 3 blinds left. They'd be mad NOT to push with crap.

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

seems like a 'hiding to nothing' exercise ... i know its a fairly obvious point, but you ARE behind any Ace.

peeko

You want them to have K10 and QJ really, which are both a possibitly considering the situation. But for me there are still too many other possible hands that have you.

I'd fold, and hope the chip leader calls.

Ste05

I'd say the first guy has any 2, the second guy probably has any A or (less likely) a small pair. I think I'd push, but my problem is that the CL could easily call with any two, he'll have the chance to knock out 3 players.

So I'd push and just hope that the CL calls with any 2 and that my hand beats him. Then hope to get lucky and out flop the second all-in.

Although even if he doesn't call you're getting lovely odds to call the two all-ins.

Having said all this, I'm fairly sure NickyOD's playing for first so the push is the move to make. But if I wanted to try and make the money I'd fold here. It's a risky play but one that I'd do to increase my chances of winning the tourney.

That's probably a bit disjointed but it's too early in the morning...

StraddleFor6

Push, push push. You have the first man beat, i'd say. 60/40, at best with the 2nd. Its superb value for the extra 500. Win this, and you have 1st place all but wrapped up.

NickyOD

I folded. I need to get the Sit n' Go Power tool software to see if it was the right move because I'm not sure but I tihnk it was. I've got a very high SnG rating on Party and I play ultra tight until it gets 4 maybe 5 handed. Aggression doesn't really pay off in SnGs until that stage.

I'm second in chips here and I'll still be second in chips after the hand. My goal is always to get down to the last 3 and then let loose. I ended up coming second anyway.

NickyOD folds.
weirdwayne calls (420)
Creating Main Pot with $1915 with ohtkh
Creating Side Pot 1 with $30 with Acool
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kh, 9s, Kc ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ac ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 4d ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1915 | Side Pot 1: 30 |
Board: [ Kh 9s Kc Ac 4d ]
NickyOD balance 1825, lost 100 (folded)
weirdwayne balance 5535, bet 620, collected 1945, net +1325 [ Ah Ts ] [ two pairs, aces and kings with ten kicker -- Ah,Ac,Kh,Kc,Ts ]
wnuckols balance 1265, didn't bet (folded)
ohtkh balance 0, lost 605 [ Ad 8s ] [ two pairs, aces and kings -- Ad,Ac,Kh,Kc,9s ]
Acool balance 0, lost 620 [ 8d 8c ] [ two pairs, kings and eights -- Ac,Kh,Kc,8d,8c ]
mhasch balance 1375, didn't bet (folded)

gerire

I think here Id have been a flat caller, you know the CL is going to call with any 2 as its so cheap for him. And go for the check it down option, well that is of course until you hit your trips, I dunno, the 2 of ye trying to take out 2 others gives a much greater chance of you getting down to the last 4 here

NickyOD

gerire wrote:

I think here Id have been a flat caller, you know the CL is going to call with any 2 as its so cheap for him. And go for the check it down option, well that is of course until you hit your trips, I dunno, the 2 of ye trying to take out 2 others gives a much greater chance of you getting down to the last 4 here

When you have less than 10 BBs in a SnG you should only be going all in preflop or folding. The exception would be in a turbo where everyone is really short and you're already in the money. Putting in 30% of my stack here with the intention of folding if I miss would be terrible.