can/should u fold here?

Norwich Fan Rob

$500 STT on tribeca last night (dont normally play those, but got bored waiting for a $200 to fill, and had just won 4 str8 $200's on stars), fairly early on and i have $1800 stack from starting 2k.
Pick up A7 of spades on the big blind, blinds are 30/60, early pos makes it 180 and button calls, small blind also calls and i decide to call, to hit a flush, 3 7's or something along those lines.

Flop comes A 7 4 with 2 clubs.

Raiser utg+1 bets the pot of 570, button moves in for 2k.............call or fold?

In my opinion i had to call this, as raiser more than likely has AK, maybe AQ, and button has something along the lines of KQ clubs, or AQ and doesnt believe utg. Thats what i did anyway, i called, but interesting to know if others woulda given this up here.

Ste05

Was the A of clubs on the flop??

handsfree

i don't think i'd be folding, unless theres a set your man is giving you just over evens to call and with a possiblity of a full house i'd be in there. you cant fold the best hand just because your afraid of being out drawn.

Norwich Fan Rob

the A and 4 were clubs

jimbling

Is there a reason your not considering that the button has pocket 7s? This seems like quite a plausible hand to me.

I would still probably call though.

Norwich Fan Rob

i didnt rule out 77, just wondering is this a definite call for all, or would some people seriously consider folding, for me, i had to call.

Ste05

At a $10 - $50 STT I'd call here.

But I'd say there's less crazy plays at this level, (I presume, never played a $500 STT) but is there a chance, this button would push in this situation without 77 or AA?? He's either on a nut flush draw or can already beat a pair of A's, (in which case he has you beat now too).

Why did you check the flop though??? Got you into all sorts of trouble. Cos it does look like you have to call, but if it went raise, re-raise, all-in then it may be a different story.

Norwich Fan Rob

i checked the flop as i originally had utg on JJ+ or AK and the other guy on 88, 99, maybe AQ.

I reckoned one of them would bet a fair bit, and then fold to my push, or if they felt pot commited and called, would only have 3 outs (12%).

Ste05

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

i checked the flop as i originally had utg on JJ+ or AK and the other guy on 88, 99, maybe AQ.

I reckoned one of them would bet a fair bit, and then fold to my push, or if they felt pot commited and called, would only have 3 outs (12%).

Ye, I agree that I would have thought about the same range myself, I wouldn't be overly concerned by UTG, it looks like a standard continuation bet, with AQ+ or JJ+, if he had AA then fair play to him. The button I also thought would call pre-flop, with a decent suited A, or (less likely) a good suited connector, or of course a pocket pair.

This flop has the suited A gone, leaving decent suited club connectors or a pocket pair, I can only see 22 (unlikely to call pre-flop with), the case 77, (not impossible but, unlikely seeing as you have one, and there's one on the board), or AA (same as 77, unlikely) to be worried about and indeed making this move. You're a strong favourite against any suited connector except 56

But TBH, again without any $500 STT experience, I can't see someone pushing without a hand that at least has strong potential to beat a pair of A's, so I think the button either has the trips, or a solid flush draw. So you're either miles behind or a 65:35 favourite. Depends on your read of the other player...

Looking forward to seeing what happened though...

Norwich Fan Rob

ok Ste, well the utg guy lead out with trip aces, fair play to him, i thought he played it brilliantly and i was drawing dead. The other guy had KT clubs.
After the hand i thought, did i really need to call that, and i had a hunch i was behind, but i still think on the bare facts a call is good here most of the time, just wanted to see if many people woulda folded it. I guess it shows the dangers of playing A7 suited into a raise.

(I guess the utg guy thought he wouldnt get paid with an ace out there unless someone else had 777 or AK AQ anyway, and the pot sized bet looked like a continuation bet, maybe one last go with KK, QQ sort of thing, either way he played it well)

jimbling

A very good flop bet by UTG. Hope you put it in your notes. Not too many players have the neck to play As like that... then again I do play at much lower levels.

by the way, who won???

ianmc38

For me the problem here was the checked flop. A bet followed by raise/ then reraise is a defo fold. A bet followed by call/then raise is marginal. A bet followed by call/call is a real toughie for the turn.

RoundTower

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

$500 STT on tribeca last night (dont normally play those, but got bored waiting for a $200 to fill, and had just won 4 str8 $200's on stars),

This was the worst decision you made here, you should have gone for 5 in a row.

Norwich Fan Rob

was just trying to make the most of a good variance.......although i must add, i love the stt's on stars, even the "speed" ones, as usually the blinds still leave loads of play for heads up vs most other sites.

(bit like the multis on stars)

I also find, strangely, for whatever reason, that i tend to do better in the higher stake STTs, same in live games, do ok in the fitz 270/500 etc, cant win a pot in the like of the €50 game in the red cow, abysmal record there.
Not exactly sure why that is.