Cash game situation

ianmc38

Playing €1/€2 PL 9 handed. You're on the BB. UTG Raises to €7 every one at the table calls. Do you call this even though you havn't looked at your cards yet?

Culchie

ianmc38 wrote:

Playing €1/€2 PL 9 handed. You're on the BB. UTG Raises to €7 every one at the table calls. Do you call this even though you havn't looked at your cards yet?

Makes sense to look at your cards, you might want to raise;)

ianmc38

Say you have a non standard raising hand. So, say you look down and see 27o. Autocall?

Imposter

ianmc38 wrote:

Say you have a non standard raising hand. So, say you look down and see 27o. Autocall?

Surely that's an auto pot raise?

Hectorjelly

I would treat it similarly to the sb in a unraised pot with loads of limpers, ie Im calling with 56o 9To Q4s and better, but not 72o or K2o etc.

Doctor Fell

I'm calling every time there, even with 27o or whatever. Getting 11/1 for your fiver, and if u do manage to fluke a hand on the flop u'll probably get paid off too. Potential big winnings for €5 - any time I can get in on a big pot like that for a fiver I'm in every time. :v: :v:

Ste05

once I'm properly Bankrolled at the table, and the stacks are big enough on the table in a cash game - I'm calling with nearly any 2...

fuzzbox

ianmc38 wrote:

Playing €1/€2 PL 9 handed. You're on the BB. UTG Raises to €7 every one at the table calls. Do you call this even though you havn't looked at your cards yet?

Seems like nice odds, but problems can occur when you flop a semi-decent hand, and end up dropping your stack.

e.g. you have 72o, and the flop is Q72 with two clubs. Given that its 8-way action, how often do you believe bottom two will stand up ... if you are even ahead at this point.

Play anything that you would normally play, but I dont like calling with a pile of rubbish that is more likely to get me into postflop trouble in a multi-way pot. I rather fold it than pay off for 200 later on.

Norwich Fan Rob

exactly my thoughts fuzz, if u are going to play junk, u really need to be sure u are ahead, very easy drop a ton to a bigger flush, bigger 2 pair etc.

Doctor Fell

fuzzbox wrote:

Seems like nice odds, but problems can occur when you flop a semi-decent hand, and end up dropping your stack.

e.g. you have 72o, and the flop is Q72 with two clubs. Given that its 8-way action, how often do you believe bottom two will stand up ... if you are even ahead at this point.

Play anything that you would normally play, but I dont like calling with a pile of rubbish that is more likely to get me into postflop trouble in a multi-way pot. I rather fold it than pay off for 200 later on.

I know what ur saying, especially about playing rubbish in multi-way pots, but I think here this is the ultimate multi-way pot. Everyone except u in, and it's only a raise of 5 more to your €2. I agree totally you've got to be careful, but in your example if u pot bet the Q72, UTG raises (for example) and its folded to you - I'd mostly figure I'm ahead here, and probably stick it all in. But like u said, if I bet and get a few callers or a raiser and caller etc. I'd probably dump.
So I think it depends what sort of action u get if u hit a hand, but overall I think for the size of the pot and the small amount it costs to see a big flop, it's worth it!!:D

Norwich Fan Rob

best case scenario with bottom 2 is he has just a pair, and 5 outs on the turn and them 8 on the river, which has him at 26%.
Thats assuming no backdoor str8s, flushes etc.
And thats assuming he just has a pair, with a kicker higher than 7.
I hate bottom 2, always seem to get outdrawn with it.
(your never that far ahead, but u can be drawing almost dead sometimes)

Doctor Fell

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

I hate bottom 2, always seem to get outdrawn with it.
(your never that far ahead, but u can be drawing almost dead sometimes)

Ye, I'm very wary of it myself!! Here's something related - last weekend in 3 cash games I flopped a set with an over card on board e.g 33Q and I had 3A or whatever. Each time I ended up losing when the top card paired, i.e Q on 4rth or 5th street and my opponent had the lone Q!! OK, not very related but very annoying:mad:

fuzzbox

Your position also has a big part to play. You would be much more inclined to jump on in with rags if you are on the button. Being out of position would not make me happy.

Q72 twotone board ... I lead pot, UTG calls, two other players call (good god what could they have?). Turn offsuit 9. .... I've no idea what to do. Pot is massive, and I might be ahead.

Same for pretty much any card (barring a 7 or a 2 ... and we dont know if they are good either).

RoundTower

I agree with this, I call a raise with more or less any two on the button here, but fold a lot in the small blind even for €1 more. Assuming there are some big stacks (say 200BB+) and some bad players.