+ or - EV call

marius

Last 4 of a €30 10 seat stt

chips are abour 3:1:1:1

Chip leader is tight aggressive.

You notice that one of the players is disconnected....

A few hands later you get pocket 8's

Chip leader is BB

I am left of BB and raise 4*BB, disconnect guy folds (obviously) as does other guy. BB calls.

Flop is 7 7 5. BB checks.

Normally this is an pot-raise for me but on this occasion I was aware that 3 ppl were getting payed out - one guy is disconnected, so do I just try to check it out - even getting bulied off the pot to make sure I place in the money or do I play my normal game and try to win it?

Degag

marius wrote:

Last 4 of a €30 10 seat stt

chips are abour 3:1:1:1

Chip leader is tight aggressive.

You notice that one of the players is disconnected....

A few hands later you get pocket 8's

Chip leader is BB

I am left of BB and raise 4*BB, disconnect guy folds (obviously) as does other guy. BB calls.

Flop is 7 7 5. BB checks.

Normally this is an pot-raise for me but on this occasion I was aware that 3 ppl were getting payed out - one guy is disconnected, so do I just try to check it out - even getting bulied off the pot to make sure I place in the money or do I play my normal game and try to win it?

If you're confident that you're winning you should play to win the hand.

Only problem will be if he's holding a 7 and slow playing it.

Don't check as he'll probably represent the 7 anyway on the next round of betting... if he comes over the top when you raise, get out....

Doctor Fell

If u intended just checking it out to make the money with 1 guy disconnected, then why did u play the hand, and raise 4*bb in the first place? Don't know obviously what sort of stack size u have and how 8 Bb's effects your stack, but its got to be worth fighting for at this stage. After building this pot I wouldn't now back off after hitting a favourable flop and having it checked it me. Therefore I'd definitely bet it, I'm all in if raised.

Norwich Fan Rob

if he has a pair higher than 8's he probably re raises u pre flop, if he has 7 rag he doesnt call a 4 bb raise, u are ahead, bet it hard, he cant call.

as said above, if u just want to make the money, dont play the hand, but as u did, and rightly so (u gotta play these things to win), pot sized pot at least for me here. Dont give him a chance to hit one of his over cards.

staringelf

i think you have to push here, not put in a pot sized bet. my reasoning is this:

he can afford to lose the hand and still probably make the money (especially as one guy is disconnected). therefore he will try to bully you off the hand even if you bet. he likely has 2 overcards to your eights. so, he has 6 outs twice which is at least 25% to win the pot with 2 cards to come. he knows you have to fear going out in 4th (especially as you can just coast in to the money with the disconnected player folding his BB every time).

I've seen it many times...the bluff re-raise from the CL when the other player may fear not making the money. put all chances of this move out by sticking the whole stack in. then he's FORCED to make a real decision and can't bluff you. as has been said already, if he had a bigger pair he'd re-raise you all in preflop and if he had a 7 he wouldn't have played it (unless he's very loose with A7s or something...but that's just bad luck if he is).

i think a pot sized bet is a bad move....all in for me. you could check fold it but thats pretty weak and he WILL represent the 7 or something else on either 4th or 5th street. i know i would

ianmc38

This is a push for me