SG:A - 2x18 - 'Michael' [SPOILERS]

Mr E

Yay! A story arc!

Pretty good episode (pretty predictable ending considering the closeness to the finale), but still above the standard for (most) of the rest of the series.

User45701

i enjoyed it hope that wraith will be back

GreenHell

Good episode,

Was thinking the only real way of going to war with the wraith would be to involve the asgard..

Berns

Could that have been the Wraith Homeworld possibly??? :eek: Micheal was drawn to it he said :rolleyes: & the ships were on the ground like so maybe ???

stag39

Berns wrote:

Could that have been the Wraith Homeworld possibly??? :eek: Micheal was drawn to it he said :rolleyes: & the ships were on the ground like so maybe ???

me senses a nuke or a super nquarda (sp) heading the way of that planet sharpish...

wonder if any others of the treker clan are wraiths!!:p

mcgarnicle

It was a good episode, but was a bit stupid. They said michael was too dangerous to be on atlantis in an ancient designed holding cell with a shield and hundreds of military personnel in the base, but it was ok to put him in a tent, with velcro arm restraints and two guards? I thought that was really dumb and it reaked of lazy writing to explain the inevitable final episode wraith attack. Also they made it a point to hide michaels face so he couldnt see where he was going, so how the hell could he dial the gate with no point of origin. The more i think about it the more this episode was just plain stupid

K!LL!@N

I thought it was a pretty poor episode too.
It smacked of end of season desperation.
Like the writers suddenly realised, "Oh crap we've only got 2 episodes left this season and we've got nothing to leave the story hanging on".

The last time i remember them working on the retro-virus was the episode with the young female wraith and it didn't exactly work very well on that occasion.

There hasn't been much reference to it since then.
Now all of a sudden, it's working?
Throw in a mention of a possible chemical weapon use for it and we've got a means to fight off the wraith for the end of the season.

It would have been nice to have a story arc running through the season, or at least starting up after the half way point but not tacked on at the end.

We'll have to wait and see i guess.

Killian

ixoy

I liked this if, as I initially did, you don't examine it too closely. It's when you look at the details that there are questions - McGarnigle had an excellent one about the PoO (hee-hee) on the DHD.

I also felt the retro-virus worked too quickly. Day 1 he's a wraith but, by Day 3, it's so effective that he looks human?! Jeez that's some interesting biology science right there. And why they thought they could do this effectively when they couldn't work on Kaylee the Wraith, had no one to practice on in the interm, and knew how Wraith DNA messed up the likes of Forde... Hmm...

In fairness though, I did mostly enjoy the character of Michael. He did raise some mildly interesting points on ethics and, given the role, it was played quite well. If this was - as it seems to be - a cheap and quick way to re-hash the S1 finale with more Hive ships than before, it could have been a lot duller. Let's hope next week we something new enter the fray..

madrab

yep agree with ixoy on this, i enjoyed this till i started to think about it, even thinking about it now makes me more dissapointed about it

althought i do like the fact that they keep ronin as a bad ass

Nukem

"gonna need more firepower" ..........goodeeeeeeeee!
Always bugged me how we got such crappy weapons on our ships. What about robbing a few gouald cannons and strapping them to the Prometheus or what about the design for the Toland cannon we had. Those things were fairly meaty in terms of firepower?

Next 2 Eps should be dynamite!

jor el

I thought this was fairly good when I watched it, up till the last ten minutes or so. The escape was predictable and silly. They should have let him turn back into a Wraith in the holding cell and then killed him.

Perhaps they'll send word to earth and look for some naquadria bombs now for the impending attack. They should be able to shake up the Wraith ships a bit, even if they can't be beamed on board.

On the point of origin, I think that the PoO symbol is always in the same position on a DHD. So no mater where you are, you'll always know it. I think it's the symbol directly below the activator button (or possibly the activator itself acts as a PoO). I'd imagine they blind-folded Trip-Wraith so he wouldn't know the address for the alpha-site.

Overall, this epsiode was a bit PoO itself

Evd-Burner

What id like to see in the next 2 episodes would be all out war between the wraith and atlantis, then to send signals to earth to get em to bring weapons etc and then earth contacts the asgard and its war....

Where did those lil feckers end up anyway?a

User45701

tolan cannons cant even damage a gould motherships shields anymore and gouauld weapons arnt in huge supply also they are very inferier to wraith weapons and i like the look of the rail guns

jor el

The Tolan cannons are a good idea, except that the Tolan, and their weapons, are all gone now. The Goa'uld only developed shields to counter these cannons (big honkin' space guns to use the technical term) with Anubis' help. The Wraith wouldn't have seen this kind of weapon before so would not be likely to have any defence for it.

Peace

I thought this could have come a little earlier in the series. No need for so many fillers.

mcgarnicle

jor el wrote:

On the point of origin, I think that the PoO symbol is always in the same position on a DHD. So no mater where you are, you'll always know it. I think it's the symbol directly below the activator button (or possibly the activator itself acts as a PoO). I'd imagine they blind-folded Trip-Wraith so he wouldn't know the address for the alpha-site.

Overall, this epsiode was a bit PoO itself

Nah its not, all the dhd's are the same. If it was that easy we never would have heard of any problems with locating a PoO.

madrab

when was the last time they had a problem with finding the poo? (he he poo )

mcgarnicle

madrab wrote:

when was the last time they had a problem with finding the poo? (he he poo )

Just after looking into it, you are spot on every dhd is unique, dont know how i missed that. Anyway my main gripe was taking him to a tent to be safer than an ancient cell, so i still dont like the episode.

Nukem

We dont need the Toland they gave us the plans didnt they....etc......
Only one Gouald had those special shields and i wonder if we coulda modiified them. Rail guns suck caus all i ever here when we get in a fight is "battery depleted":rolleyes:

chalky

They never got the weapons off the Toland. They were annihilated before they gave them to us.

AnCapaillMor

tolands or not, has anyone else got a problem that 10,000 years these guys kicked the ancients collective asses, and our galaxy is still nowhere near getting to the level of technology the ancients had, and yet our guys kick their asses everytime so far. Also add that the wraith have'nt developed any new technoligies or advanced in those 10,000 years.

Love the show but that just bugs me.

mcgarnicle

AnCapaillMor wrote:

tolands or not, has anyone else got a problem that 10,000 years these guys kicked the ancients collective asses, and our galaxy is still nowhere near getting to the level of technology the ancients had, and yet our guys kick their asses everytime so far. Also add that the wraith have'nt developed any new technoligies or advanced in those 10,000 years.

Love the show but that just bugs me.

Yeah, it bugs me too. What bugs me even more though is why the ancients seem to have been more advanced before they went to pegasus ie weapon on dakara etc

Nukem

mcgarnicle wrote:

Yeah, it bugs me too. What bugs me even more though is why the ancients seem to have been more advanced before they went to pegasus ie weapon on dakara etc

Thats a cracking point - but werent there like two types of ancients.......summit! One in our galaxy and one in theres?

Think humans nowadays are a bit more ruthless and i dont see anciants running around with machine guns likking wriath just caus!

mcgarnicle

Nukem wrote:

Thats a cracking point - but werent there like two types of ancients.......summit! One in our galaxy and one in theres?

No the ancients in pegassus are those from ours, they left our galaxy after the plague.

Nukem wrote:

Think humans nowadays are a bit more ruthless and i dont see anciants running around with machine guns likking wriath just caus!

I think that's the way the show portrays them, think if they gave an honest portrayal of modern humans vs ancient beating enemy it would be a pretty short series ie episode 1 - wraith discover humans from milky way, episode 2- wraith destroy humans from milky way. the end.

madrab

yeah that has always gripped me about atlantis, but there is soo much in stargate that doesnt fit that i have had to ignore most of it so that i can actually watch the show, but some still seeps through

i think they explained it as wriath vs ancients as a war of attrition
ancients very powerful but small in no's
wraith not nearly as powerful but billions of them

jor el

Also add that the wraith have'nt developed any new technoligies or advanced in those 10,000 years.

How many new technologies have we developed in the last 10,000 years to kill cattle? The Wraith keep the level of development of their human cattle down so as not to have to worry about it. They probably developed to their current level just because of the Ancients. When they left, there was no more need for development as the Wraith were far superior to anyone else in that galaxy.

senordingdong

This epsiode was piss poor.
A great idea and potnetial arc ruined by rushed writing.

Atlantis really is a poorer show this season.
It needs the bigger arcs like season 1, and they need to start portraying the wraith for the menace that they really are.

norbert64

AnCapaillMor wrote:

Also add that the wraith have'nt developed any new technoligies or advanced in those 10,000 years.

weren't the Wraith in hibernation, for the past few 1000 years or summit.
The SGC came to Atlantis, woke em all up, & now every1's mighty peeved at the hoomans

@ the episode, I didn't like it. I guess it was good to get a strictly human story, (well for the most part), for once, but I still prefer the off world, alien, all action eps TBH.

It was pretty much just a RIP off of SG-1's latest ep, really. The team have apparently being working on something, all year, & now they get it working, but things still go wrong.

Mr Trinnear did give a convincing performance for the most part, mind you
2/5 -> IMHO.

senordingdong

norbert64 wrote:

It was pretty much just a RIP off of SG-1's latest ep, really.

How do you figure?

norbert64

senordingdong wrote:

How do you figure?

as I said, each team have apparently being working on something, all year, retro virus & the ancient device (yet, we aint heard much about it) & now they get it working, but things still go wrong. :cool:

senordingdong

Right, if you say so.

norbert64

senordingdong wrote:

Right, if you say so.

cheers
it has some similarities, how'd that do for you

senordingdong

I think you have a...unique, way of seeing things.

norbert64

senordingdong wrote:

I think you have a...unique, way of seeing things.

in other words I'm crazy, ta very much

senordingdong

Ah yeah, but don't worry, it's good crazy.

Baggly

i can see where norbert is coming from. maybe im crazy too, or maybe you are the crazy one :eek:

secret_squirrel

To be fair to the writers of SGA there have been a few more references to the retro virus throughout the series afai can remember.

Certainly more than Merlins Magic PC in SG1.

Also didnt the Ancients that went to pegasus develop cool stuff in Pegasus then got their ass kicked by the wraith, ran back to Earth, developed more cool guns (dakara etc) then Ascend? Obviously some Ancients ascended in Pegasus as well , but it was obviously a very gradual process. Maybe Im just really confused

norbert64

secret_squirrel wrote:

Certainly more than Merlins Magic PC in SG1.