Push or Fold ?

dingle

Playing a big field (1800+) $3 MTT on Pokerstars.
The field is down to about 400 players.
I am short stacked on about 2K with blinds of 100/200.
I have JTs on the button.
BB usually defends his blinds aggressively and is on about 3K.
It's folded around to me and I min raise.
BB raises to 1000.

Push or Fold ?

ntlbell

dingle wrote:

Playing a big field (1800+) $3 MTT on Pokerstars.
The field is down to about 400 players.
I am short stacked on about 2K with blinds of 100/200.
I have JTs on the button.
BB usually defends his blinds aggressively and is on about 3K.
It's folded around to me and I min raise.
BB raises to 1000.

Push or Fold ?

I'd push, but he's going to call with any two cards

Culchie

dingle wrote:

Playing a big field (1800+) $3 MTT on Pokerstars.
The field is down to about 400 players.
I am short stacked on about 2K with blinds of 100/200.
I have JTs on the button.
BB usually defends his blinds aggressively and is on about 3K.
It's folded around to me and I min raise.
BB raises to 1000.

Push or Fold ?

Does he defend only with a hand, or does he defend every single time?

I think you've put yourself very awkward here with the min raise. If you want to steal the blinds (which surely you do with JT button), then go ahead and steal them with a proper decent raise, a min raise is not going to ever steal big blinds here.
Yes a decent raise will have you pot committed, he should know that as well, if he still feel likes defending them.

As it stands now, you've now put 25% of your stack in, and you are left with just 8BB's.
It's a push now, although I would have preferred to just have stole the blinds pre flop and add 15% to my stack uncontested.

Try and lose this min raise play from your game, it just gets you into trouble.


p.s How long does it take for an 1800+ field tourney to finish?

dingle

Sorry I never said that though the BB usually defended his blinds, the size of the raise led me to believe that he had a hand, I guessed he had a fairly decent hand i.e pocket pair, AT, AJ, KQ range

kpnuts

Push! (I misread initially if anyone saw my unedited post, I had thought u were in SB.)

dingle

Culchie wrote:

Does he defend only with a hand, or does he defend every single time?

He defends about 80% of the time, when he has a hand he makes a fairly significant raise

Culchie wrote:

Try and lose this min raise play from your game, it just gets you into trouble.

The min raise was specifically to stir up the BB.

Culchie wrote:

p.s How long does it take for an 1800+ field tourney to finish?

After about one and three-quarter hours it was down to 400, I busted out shortly after this hand.

The reason I min raised was to get some action from the BB, I had decided to push pretty much regardless of the BB's reaction and/or flop and I was hoping to get action, not just steal blinds as I reckoned I needed to double-up.

I guess the basic question here is "is a hand like JTs good enough to push with when you have position and are short-stacked ?" In my opinion it's probably better than other marginal hands like AT/KJ etc as you are more likely to have live cards/more outs if called but I was wondering how other people would view that.

NickyOD

You should have open pushed instead of min raising. JTs is a great hand to push with when shortstacked. You're a slight favourite over an underpair, racing against an ace with a lower kicker and only 40/60 against overcards. Min raising only invites the BB to come over the top of you and price himself into calling your push. A lot of the time you want to take the blinds in this spot. With 10BBs you should be pushing or folding.

SandyVN

I agree if your not going to fold with J10 on the button with only 10 times the bb you must push 1st time around.... assuming nobody else called....

hotspur

dingle wrote:

I guess the basic question here is "is a hand like JTs good enough to push with when you have position and are short-stacked ?" In my opinion it's probably better than other marginal hands like AT/KJ etc as you are more likely to have live cards/more outs if called but I was wondering how other people would view that.

JT is a multiway hand and only of worth in that situation to get a fold preflop from the button so all in was your man I think. Live cards my ass You mean you'd prefer 23 to A10 there in case the button has a higher ace? Both A10 and KJ are infinitely better there than J10. In future I'd say push preflop, you will get a better hand than J10 before the BB comes back around to you in all likihood.