Moving Tables and the Big Blind

Pavement

Hi Folks,
Was playing recently in the Fitz and got moved from one table to another staright on to the BB. Is this right. I thought the blinds had to pass me by ??

bohsman

You can come in on the big blind but not the small blind

kinaldo

Pavement wrote:

Hi Folks,
Was playing recently in the Fitz and got moved from one table to another staright on to the BB. Is this right. I thought the blinds had to pass me by ??

in the fitz it's always furthest from the button the only place u can't come in on is the small blind and if the only vacant seat is between the button and the sb then u have to sit out or cash games u can buy the button

jacQues

Pavement wrote:

Hi Folks,
Was playing recently in the Fitz and got moved from one table to another staright on to the BB. Is this right. I thought the blinds had to pass me by ??

This can happen.

The table someone is moved to can be any position. With the understanding that on the SB you sit out a hand and on the button your neighbour on the left gets the button instead.

The table someone is moved from is always the next BB. I.e. the person that would have been BB the next hand. Therefore, there's no point complaining as your position can only improve.

jacQues

jacQues

kinaldo wrote:

cash games u can buy the button

You never get moved in cash games...

Also when you sit down in a cash game you always post the BB or wait for the BB. (Though some more casual casinos let you simply sit in without posting the BB.) If you start on the button your neighbour on the left gets the button instead. You should never be able to start on the button, with or without posting the BB.

jacQues

Coillte_Bhoy

You never get moved in cash games...

The couple of times i've played cash games in The Fitz i was moved to a differnet table both times. Didnt know why and as was new there didnt want to look like a novice by asking. Worked out ok though as i made a nice profit each night:o

Pavement

Naw ...I wasnt on the Big blind on the Table I was moved from as it was being split up but I got moved directly on to it. Must be the Luck of the Draw!!

kinaldo

jacQues wrote:

You never get moved in cash games...

Also when you sit down in a cash game you always post the BB or wait for the BB. (Though some more casual casinos let you simply sit in without posting the BB.) If you start on the button your neighbour on the left gets the button instead. You should never be able to start on the button, with or without posting the BB.

jacQues

in the fitz u can come into a cash game in front of the button if you're willing to pay the sb and bb, then u get the button for the next hand. players are moved to protect the main game if it's busy you'll start in the feeder game and be put on a move list

Norwich Fan Rob

this can happen if a tables been broken and that table re draws for seats.

jacQues

kinaldo wrote:

players are moved to protect the main game if it's busy you'll start in the feeder game

I'm mostly a casual player (but with a perfectionistic attitude:) and don't play much in casinos. AFAIK, here in Galway you certainly don't get moved unless you choose to do so yourself. Can you explain "protect the main game" and "feeder game" to me?

jacQues

jacQues

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

this can happen if a tables been broken and that table re draws for seats.

Correct. Sorry, I forgot about that. Usually only happens in the end stages of a tourney though. When a table breaks up early they tend to be carefull about new seat assignments (depending on TO).

jacQues

BigDragon

jacQues wrote:

I'm mostly a casual player (but with a perfectionistic attitude:) and don't play much in casinos. AFAIK, here in Galway you certainly don't get moved unless you choose to do so yourself. Can you explain "protect the main game" and "feeder game" to me?

jacQues

All the correct answers to all querys are above so no point re hashing. As your question JacQues......

In all cash games there can be more than 1 table of the same game (ie 3 €50 min buyin holdem only games) but they are ranked in starting order. If you want to play you have to sit in on table 3. If someone leaves game 1 then someone from game 2 is moved up and then someone from table 3 fills the space in table 2 etc. This way the top tier is always 9 handed and then table 2 and so on.

kinaldo

jacQues wrote:

I'm mostly a casual player (but with a perfectionistic attitude:) and don't play much in casinos. AFAIK, here in Galway you certainly don't get moved unless you choose to do so yourself. Can you explain "protect the main game" and "feeder game" to me?

jacQues

it's basically to keep the games alive and stop players from selectively picking and choosing their tables

jacQues

jacQues wrote:

Can you explain "protect the main game" and "feeder game" to me?

Thanks for the replies, didn't know that.

This board is a valueable source of information.

jacQues

Coillte_Bhoy

players are moved to protect the main game if it's busy you'll start in the feeder game and be put on a move list

That explains a lot. I couldnt believe the differnece between the two tables. Did nicely on the feeder table but when moved to the main table was out of my depth and my bankroll suddenly became very insignificant, I pressume you can't elect to stay at feeder table?

5starpool

You presume correctly. It is a 'must-move' situation. And if you leave a game completely, you have to wait an hour (officially at least) before being allowed to sit in a feeder for that game again. This only applies when there is more than one table. i.e. you cannot choose to leave the main game and sit in the feeder just cause someone drunk has sat down with a grand in the feeder.

Pavement

Thanks Foks!! Its good to Know!

tricky D

In the Fitz tournies, we balance in 2 ways: using seat tickets or not.

Pavement wrote:

Naw ...I wasnt on the Big blind on the Table I was moved from as it was being split up but I got moved directly on to it. Must be the Luck of the Draw!!

Using tickets, it is plain luck of the draw in the case of breaking a table and should even out in the long run (unless your variance is really bad).

If there are lots of tables and irrespective of whether using tickets or not, there is the small chance that you might be moved into the BB soon after (or immediately) after having just posted on the table which has just been broken. Eg (v rare scenario) T10 gets broken and the only seats available amazingly happen to be the BB on each table.

For just balancing as opposed to breaking a table, in the Fitz you should be moved to the furthest position from the BB regardless of whether using tickets or not. Reason for going furthest is that it is considered a disadvantage to be moved to new unfamiliar table. In either case, you may end up coming in on the button if the player who is now SB has already had their button (the button would otherwise have been a dead button if no player had been moved), or secondly, into the BB but not SB - depends on luck wrt how the free seat is positioned.

You can't come in on the SB as the order of payment of the blinds is more important than the movement of the button. No blinds skimping is allowed!

Some other places (merrion) move you closest to the BB. They consider your blind payment in prompt order as outweighing the disadvantage of moving to an unfamiliar table - tis a moot point. I think, as do some other places, that the merrion won't allow to come in on the button. Dunno the reason....

A good/nice TD will try to move you to a table where you get least shafted unless they don't like you (you know who you are... )

\r

nicryan

tricky D wrote:

In the Fitz tournies, we balance in 2 ways: using seat tickets or not.
\r

oh and if its me running a freeroll I use a special system....I write all the table numbers in a line down the left of the page and the number of players just to the right of that...eg:


1 9
2 10
3 6
4 7
5 7
6 10

then I'll go to table 6 and send the next big blind farthest from the button on table 3, then the next person (SB now) second farthest table 3, then farthest table 4 then 5 then another person to 3 4 and 5...etc

its all very logical cause it means I don't have to worry where the button is on any table and when I finish the tables are balanced....but it does mean that some people get screwed occasionally....but meh its a freeroll so it doesn't bother me all that much...but don't worry...I'm not gonna be running any more thursday freerolls ))


Nic