STT Endgame Question

The C Kid

Standard 10 seater STT, regular pay-out structure.

Four players remain.

Seat 1 - Player A 10000
Seat 2 - Player B 2000
Seat 3- Player C 2000
Seat 4- Player D 6000 (You)

Blinds 300/600. Player C is SB, you are BB.

Player A folds, Players B moves all-in, Players C calls.

What range of hands do you call with here?

Amaru

What's the pushing range?

The C Kid

No range, no reads.

De Deraco

AK KK QQ and of course AA. if i have a read maybe worse

Amaru

I think thats about right. AK both suited and unsuited, and possibly JJ as well.

Ste05

I'm not sure about that you're getting 2.85:1 on the call. There's 4,600 in the pot and it's only 1,400 to call. Those are lovely odds,

Think about the Expected value of winning the hand as well. Pretty much guaranteeing first place in the tournament, you are also guaranteed a money finish by calling.

If you lose you'll still have 4,000 the winner of the hand will have 6,000 and there'll still be the 1,000 shorty!!!!!

I think I'd call with alot more hands here than De Dereco's range.

Amaru

Ste, it's 10,000, not 1,000. Its the chip leader.

This is something that can be solved with ICM, i just have no idea how to do it.

Ste05

Ah yes, missed that, thought it was 1,000, although having said that,

if you fold you'll have 5,400, CL 10,000, other player 4,600
if you call and lose you'll still have 4,000, CL 10,000 other player, 6,000
If you call and win you'll have 10,000 CL 10,000

I still think it's fairly tight one, but indeed a tricky one, any maths guys give the correct answer. Not one of my strong points.....

ntlbell

I'd call with any two cards

Ste05

ntlbell wrote:

I'd call with any two cards

I'm leaning towards this too TBH

RoundTower

ntlbell wrote:

I'd call with any two cards

I agree

marius

I would consider myself a pretty loose player but I dont think I'd call with 'any two cards' - despite the pot odds.

I'd probably go with anything sooted, anything better than 10, J.

What is the reasoning behind the 'any two cards' rationale?

Doctor Fell

Any 2 cards for me - you've a chance to knock 2 people out, and get it heads up on level terms. Plus its only costing you 1400. Worst case u still make the money and ur not in that bad a shape anyway. I'd definitely take a shot to knock the 2 of them out!

Norwich Fan Rob

this is an auto push for the button with atc, SB knows this and may call with any Ax or small pair, with that value i call with anything like T9s, AJ or better or any pair.

Amaru said, "possibly JJ", 4 handed against short stacks, u couldnt get my chips in fast enough with this monster.

Waylander

I would not call with any two cards, but I would certainly have a very wide range to call here.

Amaru

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

Amaru said, "possibly JJ", 4 handed against short stacks, u couldnt get my chips in fast enough with this monster.

My first reaction was to assume a very tight range. Now, even though i still can't get the logic right in my head, pushing with any two seems to be the correct choice. I don't think pushing and calling ranges are the important thing here, EV is. Coincidentally, if i had the 10000 stack, and the 6000 had already folded, i could easily see the any 2 call. With 6000 it's a little harder to resolve in my head.

I stand by my statement that maths will win out in this problem. My guess is that OP knows that there's a definite answer to this problem. The stack sizes and situational setup seem very convenient.

MadsL

this is an auto push for the button with atc, SB knows this and may call with any Ax or small pair, with that value i call with anything like T9s, AJ or better or any pair.

I like the modifier on Ax, anything below AJ is clearly worthless here...otherwise pretty much any 2. Suited low connectors ideally.