Poker event for charity - UCD. Advice?

Sangre

Ok this post isn't an advertisement just seeking out some advice running a mtt to help raise money for charity (in assoication with Law/BnL day in UCD). Now of course the more money raised the better but I just want people to remember that it isn't everything because the event will raise awareness for the actual day, increase participation and just plain fun (one of the main points of the actual day).

Now I haven't gotten onto the UCD pokersoc yet (hopefully tomorrow) and ideally they just lend us the chips/tables or we could do it in tandem. Although I am a little hesistant about that as the pokersoc doesn't have the best reputation (i.e. they take too much). Although I do have a friend who runs the DLIT pokersoc if all else fails.

Note: I do not of yet know how many will attend but really hoping 40+
Anyway now for my main question. How do you raise money for charity in a game where people play for money.?Will people play for a few hours if they're not getting a great payback?
My ideal set up would be to have a buy-in of say 5+3 (3 for charity) and for buy-backs (5+2) then at the freeze-out a top up allowed (5+2). This is just an example of money but I'd like to give maximum clarity for the punters. Could some give me average buy-backs etc so I can work out the best plan?

Then depending on numbers I'll probably pay the top 5%? With the final details depending on numbers (although I like to give players clarity so any solution would be great)

Now I've never ran or even played in a mtt so I'm going to ask some finicky questions.
What is a good starting chip stack and blinds? How often should blinds go up to allow for some nice play and not a crapshoot? Should I stop the blinds eventually. Do I play this by ear?
When should you start joining tables? When they hit 4/5 people?
Also how are chips usually broken down? Is it multidenomintal?

Hopefully there will also be buckets there for donationsraffle tickts and nightclub tickets on sale for them for more money

ALL advice welcome.

roryc

Sangre wrote:

Ok this post isn't an advertisement just seeking out some advice running a mtt to help raise money for charity (in assoication with Law/BnL day in UCD). Now of course the more money raised the better but I just want people to remember that it isn't everything because the event will raise awareness for the actual day, increase participation and just plain fun (one of the main points of the actual day).

Now I haven't gotten onto the UCD pokersoc yet (hopefully tomorrow) and ideally they just lend us the chips/tables or we could do it in tandem. Although I am a little hesistant about that as the pokersoc doesn't have the best reputation (i.e. they take too much). Although I do have a friend who runs the DLIT pokersoc if all else fails.

Note: I do not of yet know how many will attend but really hoping 40+
Anyway now for my main question. How do you raise money for charity in a game where people play for money.?Will people play for a few hours if they're not getting a great payback?
My ideal set up would be to have a buy-in of say 5+3 (3 for charity) and for buy-backs (5+2) then at the freeze-out a top up allowed (5+2). This is just an example of money but I'd like to give maximum clarity for the punters. Could some give me average buy-backs etc so I can work out the best plan?

Then depending on numbers I'll probably pay the top 5%? With the final details depending on numbers (although I like to give players clarity so any solution would be great)

Now I've never ran or even played in a mtt so I'm going to ask some finicky questions.
What is a good starting chip stack and blinds? How often should blinds go up to allow for some nice play and not a crapshoot? Should I stop the blinds eventually. Do I play this by ear?
When should you start joining tables? When they hit 4/5 people?
Also how are chips usually broken down? Is it multidenomintal?

Hopefully there will also be buckets there for donationsraffle tickts and nightclub tickets on sale for them for more money

ALL advice welcome.

Ok.... First of all, well done for trying to organise a charity tournament, but I don't know if its worth your while. I mean, your planning on getting 2 euro per player to charity?

Also, if you do plan on organising one, and you expect to get 40 players, you CAN"T pay the top 5%. That's only 1st and 2nd!

I think your hearts in the right place, but you just don't have the means to set up a decent tournament which will generate a decent donation. One main reason for this is the TERRIBLE reputation that the UCD card soc. has. It is probably the worst run tournament in Ireland at the moment, and this will affect the numbers you can expect.


Sorry i can't offer any real helpful advice, good luck with it anyway

breadmonkey

Enter Padser....:p

Sangre

Oh those numbers I used were arbitrary.
You're right I do want to avoid any association with the pokersoc but the system I'm using was just to give clarity to donations.
Or could have winner - 50%, 2nd - 25%, charity 25%.
I'm hoping enough people play for fun and charity not just as any other poker event.

And like I said its not all about the money! But we haven't finalised a decision yet still looking into logisitics. It would also be all profit.

bmc

If I remember correctly, Special Days will lend tables (and possibly chips) for tournaments and (I'm not certain but...) free for charity events I think.

Lafortezza

www.specialdays.ie might be worth dropping them an email to see if they'd lend some equipment in exchange for allowing them to put up posters/flyers.

As roryc said the UCD Poker Soc has a pretty shíte reputation. But they might be your best bet for getting equipment for cheap/free.

You should pay 10% of the field, top 5 if 50 enter.
I'm not sure how to work the rebuys and top up and the % going to the charity. If each entry/rebuy/top up is €5+€2 for the charity and say the average spend is €15+€6, with 40 runners that's €240 for the charity. Not bad but would a €10 rebuy be better/still affordable?

nikorami

send me a mail at nikorami2000@netzero.net if you still need help. I would be happy to discuss some fo your queries and help you run a good tourney.

Sangre

Sorry who are you? Netzone seem to be about broadband or something.

Special Days said they couldnt help me out, they never did it.

nikorami

The name is Joe. If you still need help I would be happy to help.

Joe:)

Sangre

Thanks for the offer but how can you help? You're being very vague.

ditpoker

hey,

your best bet is to keep costs as low as possible, dont worry about getting tables in, if people are going to play they will play regardless of whther ur using poker tables, grab a few tables from lecture halls and canteens. As for chips, poker.ie might be willing to donate, worth an email, you'll need about 1000 chips, so if you really wanna keep costs down, find 4 mates who have similar chip sets and borrow! As for prize, a flat 10euro with 5reg for charity might work. we run 5 euro games with about 50-60 on a regular basis, usually the avergae is one rebuy per player so if you planning on getting 40 players you'll need 5 tables (easily stolen from a canteen) and will need to chagre about 5 euro reg between the buy in and rebuy to make 200e off it, your 5+3 and 5+2 seems good.

Ste45

You could try and ask big name shops etc. to donate stuff to use as prizes and then give all the money to charity or something along those lines. You'd be surprised, some places would be willing if you explained to them about the charity.

shoutman

any chance you wanna reveal what the charity is?

nikorami

You asked for information on running a tournament. Geez, for someone seeking help for a charity you're pretty odd.

I would have helped in whatever capacity you needed. From information on setting up and running the tourney to actually helping at he event if you needed it...dealer, director, whatever!

Operative words...."Would have". Please don't come on forums soliciting help and then act so odd an downright "rude". I help many organizations with everything from golf, to poker to sales because of my past experience and my desire to help good causes. I'll pass here, obviously you have some other agenda. There are books online and offline you can read. Good luck.

roryc

ditpoker wrote:

hey,

your best bet is to keep costs as low as possible, dont worry about getting tables in, if people are going to play they will play regardless of whther ur using poker tables, grab a few tables from lecture halls and canteens.

Couldn't disagree more. If you want to attract large numbers you have to make it look as professional AS POSSIBLE with a small budget. If you can't get tables for cheap just find/buy some green felt and put it over the tables. I helped run my college Poker Soc. and we always pulled better numbers when we made it look as professional as we could. We even got the Hendon Mob over!

Good Luck with the tourney!


Oh and DIT, if you did try and make your tourneys look a little more professional you might attract more numbers! I'm not having a dig at them (I've never even been at one ) but if you did just but some felt etc, it really makes the difference. I HATE playing on lecture tables!! Maybe even invest in 5/6 of them octagonal tables. I think they are cheap enough and your college should pay for them. gl

Sangre

nikorami wrote:

You asked for information on running a tournament. Geez, for someone seeking help for a charity you're pretty odd.

I would have helped in whatever capacity you needed. From information on setting up and running the tourney to actually helping at he event if you needed it...dealer, director, whatever!

Operative words...."Would have". Please don't come on forums soliciting help and then act so odd an downright "rude". I help many organizations with everything from golf, to poker to sales because of my past experience and my desire to help good causes. I'll pass here, obviously you have some other agenda. There are books online and offline you can read. Good luck.

Listen you put a message here and pm'd me offering for help but not how you'd help. I was just trying to clarify how you were offering to help. I did thank you for the offer.

Oh and the charity would be temple st. childrens hospitale. A good cause as always.

We're probably going to go down the root of Argos chips and felt sets. Nearly everyone has one!

Oh yeah and about the prizes. We're in the midst of collecting prizes now but they'll be used on the day for raffles. Nothing like getting a girl to get pissed lads to buy raffle tickets for the chance to winning a 'big prize'.

ditpoker

roryc wrote:

Oh and DIT, if you did try and make your tourneys look a little more professional you might attract more numbers! I'm not having a dig at them (I've never even been at one ) but if you did just but some felt etc, it really makes the difference. I HATE playing on lecture tables!! Maybe even invest in 5/6 of them octagonal tables. I think they are cheap enough and your college should pay for them. gl

ah but this is where DIT beat the competition in student tourneys!! my advice was if it is a one off event keep costs very low, although i do accept what ur saying about attracting a crowd but the plan is to only get 40 players so i figure simple and effective was the way forward. as for DIT, we have recently purchased a proper poker table that we have used at our final tables... we have felt for the canteen tables supplied to us by PokerStars.com (very generous people).. we use proper plastic playing cards (again, thank you pokerStars!).. our tournaments are cheap buy ins but very professionally run (if i do say so myself!) and we have zero rake (unlike some UCD colleges.. oops, did i mention ucd there, i may have done!)!! We even have a tournament clock and we give away hats and tshirts and badbeat prizes and best hand prizes at all our events and various other things that make DIT games great... phew... that was a long-pro-dit rant! anyway, the point is, rory, if u havent played in DIT your mssing out, we'll give you a free buy in at our next one!

anyway, i agree with what your saying about tournaments in general, the better quality the game the more players..... but if he is trying to make 200e for charity, no point spending 150 on accessories... if he wants to make 1k , then spend alot on the works!

roryc

nice post. It's nice to see a poker society that really puts in the effort. we're a dying breed! And i think i will pop down to a DIT tourney in a while. When is that one for the Joe Show on? I can't make it down any day before 5 because of the nine to fiver, but I'll try and pop down. Hopefully its a bigger buy in than €10...

Oh yeh, and FU*K UCD POKER SOCIETY ! ! ! ! !

Sangre

Whats the standard like in DIT? I'm notoriously bad at playing really bad players.

*NOTE THEY WILL CALL YOUR BLUFF AND HIT THE RIVER TO RUB IT IN*

shoutman

The standard is such that I would consider myself one of the better players.

You can take from that what you want.

ditpoker

sadly shoutman would be one of our better players... standard i think is good enough once you get down to the last two tables, alsways the same faces at that stage, i thought i was good until i thought my re-re-raise with 95 off suit preflop was the stuff of legend... you'll be surprised how often 95o is not the nuts!! :mad:

the joe tv show as it has become known is in march so we are planning our qualifier to be a full day of poker in DIT on Thursday, Feb 26th. Currently VegasNights and the Bellagio are in a bidding war for the contract to run it, but I'm thinking we'll give it to VegasNights cos they are that little bit more local!

and i heard a great story about the UCD poker soc today... after 90minutes of play, there is a fair bit of betting preflop... then the flop comes... 9 spades, king hearts, king... hearts!??!?!? Queue the uproar!!! BRILLIANT!

bmc

ditpoker wrote:

and i heard a great story about the UCD poker soc today... after 90minutes of play, there is a fair bit of betting preflop... then the flop comes... 9 spades, king hearts, king... hearts!??!?!? Queue the uproar!!! BRILLIANT!

*shrug*

Apparently it happened in the Fitz 270 game last month

ditpoker

bmc wrote:

Apparently it happened in the Fitz 270 game last month

its still funny, but nice to see that the card rooms make mistakes too...

thepokerroom

hi check out my blinds on boards, it works for us in pub touraments 15 min clock,starting stack 2000, rebuy 2000, top-up 5000.this insures good play.charge 10 euro reg and 5 euro for rebuys and top-ups. 10 euro goes to your charity. and the rest in to the prize pool. so if 40 players. 400 euro to charity. regards jim the poker rom ireland

Lafortezza

Don't bump threads that are more than 2 years old ffs.