Some advive on a hand from last night...

corblimey

Playng the 100 freezeout last night in the Macau, I came into a pot with a player known for his loose aggresive play - he's likely to see any raised pot with small connectors, high rags etc. He's one of the better players in there.

I look down at my pocket 5s and raise to 400 (4BBs) in the cut off. He calls. Flop comes AK5, rainbow. Perfect flop for me, any As or Ks out there will give me some action. He checks so I bet small, 200. The "villian" raises to 1000, and I call. Turn is a 4. He checks again, and I bet out 600, he calls. River is a 2, putting a potential straight out there. He goes all in straight away. He has me covered, but only by about 200 chips, so this would cripple him. I think about it for a long time, and decide to give him credit for the 3. Anybody else and I would've called, but he has this image which I'm sure he's cultivating.

He shows a 2, but says he had the 3, a 23 is not an unlikely starting hand for him. However, his 2 bets have kept me up "all" night. Raising the pot and going all in. I suspect he missed it. If he had 23 he had a made hand on the turn, and the call is a little suspect. If he wants more money from me, why then go all in on the river? The more I think about it, the more I suspect he had an A or K to go with that 2, and I had him beaten.

I know its a little difficult to state categorically, but isn't there anything here that has the more experienced among you going "of *course* he had a straight, good lay down" or "you fool, he was bluffing".

ollyk1

Sorry corblimey but my vote is

b)

"you fool, he was bluffing"

I think you should have bet more on the flop, bet 2000+ on the turn and called the river. How much was the all-in at the end anyway?

corblimey

...the all in was worth something in the region of 2000. It was about the 6th hand of the night

Norwich Fan Rob

he spotted weakness in your bet on the turn, and used the scare card on the river to his advantage. Very unlikely u were beat imo.

ollyk1

corblimey wrote:

...the all in was worth something in the region of 2000. It was about the 6th hand of the night

I don't think there's anything I like about how you played this hand Corblimey. You were afraid to go home early and he took your chips for it.

If you are going to worry about every scare card on the river you should have pushed the turn.

corblimey

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

he spotted weakness in your bet on the turn, and used the scare card on the river to his advantage. Very unlikely u were beat imo.

A bet of 6BBs is considered 'weakness'? Not sure I'd go along with your opinion there, though I agree that he saw the river as an opportunity to outplay me.

bmc

corblimey wrote:

A bet of 6BBs is considered 'weakness'? Not sure I'd go along with your opinion there, though I agree that he saw the river as an opportunity to outplay me.

Into a pot of 20BBs you couldn't call it strong.

RoundTower

corblimey wrote:

Anybody else and I would've called, but he has this image which I'm sure he's cultivating.

I know its a little difficult to state categorically, but isn't there anything here that has the more experienced among you going "of *course* he had a straight, good lay down" or "you fool, he was bluffing".

No, not for me, I would consider both calling and folding. But there are many players against whom you should fold here. Letting this guy push you around isn't the worst sin in the world, but you really don't want to be paying off the timid players here.

Gholimoli

corblimey wrote:

Playng the 100 freezeout last night in the Macau, I came into a pot with a player known for his loose aggresive play - he's likely to see any raised pot with small connectors, high rags etc. He's one of the better players in there.

I look down at my pocket 5s and raise to 400 (4BBs) in the cut off. He calls. Flop comes AK5, rainbow. Perfect flop for me, any As or Ks out there will give me some action. He checks so I bet small, 200. The "villian" raises to 1000, and I call. Turn is a 4. He checks again, and I bet out 600, he calls. River is a 2, putting a potential straight out there. He goes all in straight away. He has me covered, but only by about 200 chips, so this would cripple him. I think about it for a long time, and decide to give him credit for the 3. Anybody else and I would've called, but he has this image which I'm sure he's cultivating.

He shows a 2, but says he had the 3, a 23 is not an unlikely starting hand for him. However, his 2 bets have kept me up "all" night. Raising the pot and going all in. I suspect he missed it. If he had 23 he had a made hand on the turn, and the call is a little suspect. If he wants more money from me, why then go all in on the river? The more I think about it, the more I suspect he had an A or K to go with that 2, and I had him beaten.

I know its a little difficult to state categorically, but isn't there anything here that has the more experienced among you going "of *course* he had a straight, good lay down" or "you fool, he was bluffing".

i think you played the hand is bad as it could have been played and to top it off the fold.
if your playing with 55 ,what are you hoping to achive if not a set?you get a set on a rainbow flop with AK in it and a loose player who is willing to pay you off with any Ax or Kx and then after getting the chips in ,you fold????
that is weak tight play at its best...
so just because there is a str there and the guy is betting like he has the str means you have to fold?
there is something like 5K in the pot and you fold to a 2k bet?
the only question after the flop in this hand should have been ,how do i get all my chips in the middle?
its not the fact that he deffo does not have the str ,its the fact that there is just so many other hands he could have that to fold to the possibility of him having it is wrong.

corblimey

Yeah, I guess I played the man more than I played both my hand and his possible hands. Him betting like he had the straight just convinced me that he had it. There are a few players in the club that I will always play weak-tight against, their reputation going before them for me. It's something I have to guard against, and beat, but for now, it's nice to know that I suck at poker

Marq

corblimey wrote:

Him betting like he had the straight just convinced me that he had it.

I'll have to remember that if I ever have the oppurtunity to play you.

accensi0n

Marq wrote:

I'll have to remember that if I ever have the oppurtunity to play you.

give it a rest.

TacT

why didn't you move in on the turn or reraise him on the flop?

careca

I agree totally with Gholimoli.

Also the fact that he showed the 2 and said he also had the 3 (without showing) is 100% proof, imo, that he didn't. You have to give him credit for his play but you should have creamed him. The only good thing is that he will try it against you again, now that he got through once. Next time you'll be waiting.

corblimey

TacT wrote:

why didn't you move in on the turn or reraise him on the flop?

I can definitely answer that. I knew I was ahead on both those occasions and I was trying to get value for my set. His raise to 1000 threw me slightly, but as far as I was concerned, I was still ahead, and it was all to the good.

Nice advice, careca. I'm still learning poker, and this was one lesson well taught. As they say, I was schooled

Culchie

corblimey wrote:

I can definitely answer that. I knew I was ahead on both those occasions and I was trying to get value for my set. His raise to 1000 threw me slightly, but as far as I was concerned, I was still ahead, and it was all to the good.

You had a monster Corblimey, hidden at that, and you weren't getting paid for it at all.
You should have been building that pot up on every street, and follow it through to the end.

Norwich Fan Rob

my reference to your weak bet on the turn, yes its 600 which is 6BB's, but at this stage there is 400 x 2 + 1000 x 2 or 2800 in the pot, a 600 bet into a 2800 pot is a distinct sign of weakness.

ianmc38

The bet on the flop is very weak but gets you excatly what you wanted, ie the raise to 1000. Turn was horrible and river is an auto-call for me. Obviously senses weakness and badly represented a made straight. He was hardly calling the flop and turn bets with rags. I reckon A2 was his most lilely holding.