Turn Play

AmarilloFats

Find myself in this situation alot recently and I would like to get some opinion.

You raise With AhTh ..Just the BB calls

The flop comes

Kc Js 4h

He checks You bet 3/4 pot. He calls

Turn brings 7h...Giving you lots of outs..

he checks to you..Do you bet or check. say you both had 100BB to begin with so you both have about 90BB at this stage at the turn...

How do these thoughts sound...
If he was shortstacked ~30BB I would tend to push at this point.
The more likely he is to pay me off the more inclined I am to check
The more agro the villain the more inclined I am to check
The deeper the stacks to more likely I am too check!

Ste05

Good post and some interesting discussion possibilities. Here's my 0.02c worth.... :cool:

AmarilloFats wrote:

If he was shortstacked ~30BB I would tend to push at this point.

Me too, happy to take it now, if he calls you have loads of outs.

AmarilloFats wrote:

The more likely he is to pay me off the more inclined I am to check

I prefer to put in a bet maybe 1/2 pot, just to build the pot up, and to keep up the pressure on him. Bet enough that he'll call, not too little that it induces the re-raise and not too big to make him fold, this bet has to be just right, hence the 1/2 pot, maybe even a little less,

Although, this is my problem area, the size of this bet, I always have trouble here, and getting the pitch just right, I find difficult.

In addition, I always think that a check here just gives away that you are drawing, (I know you describe the villian as someone who'll pay you off, but it's also info for the rest of the table that you will check in such circumstances) why would a made hand give a free card on a heavily draw laden board?? And also in case you miss on the river you can still win the pot with a third bullet.

AmarilloFats wrote:

The more agro the villain the more inclined I am to check

If he's constantly check raising, then a check may be in order, but this would depend on previous actions by both yourself and him, I think I'd play this one by year. I may even bet to induce the re-raise with the intention of coming over the top all-in to put manners on the guy, and again if I'm called I have outs to win the hand. May be too aggressive though?

AmarilloFats wrote:

The deeper the stacks to more likely I am too check!

The deeper the stacks the more likely I am to bet, and the less likely I am to check, you need to get the money in there at some stage if you hit, if you miss he won't be able to stack you, or a big re-raise can be folded, but if you hit on the river it's very unlikely you'll get all his stack, without building the pot, he hasn't shown any strength or intention to be aggressive yet, so he could be looking for a cheap showdown. I'd bet out here maybe 1/2 - 2/3 the pot, I think, obviously depending on previous actions and who the player was (LAG, TAG, passive, calling station, etc. etc. etc.) and all the other variables to take into account while playing.....

Bozzer

Ste05 wrote:

I prefer to put in a bet maybe 1/2 pot, just to build the pot up, and to keep up the pressure on him. Bet enough that he'll call, not too little that it induces the re-raise and not too big to make him fold, this bet has to be just right, hence the 1/2 pot, maybe even a little less,

Although, this is my problem area, the size of this bet, I always have trouble here, and getting the pitch just right, I find difficult.

In addition, I always think that a check here just gives away that you are drawing, (I know you describe the villian as someone who'll pay you off, but it's also info for the rest of the table that you will check in such circumstances) why would a made hand give a free card on a heavily draw laden board?? And also in case you miss on the river you can still win the pot with a third bullet.

Problem with this is you need to start betting 1/2 pot or < with your made hands here and that's not something i'd like to do on this board.
If pot is 20bb's and we have 90bb's left then my default is to check. If I've a made hand here I'm gonna be betting between 3/4-full pot. So I've got to bet the same in this situation, in which case a check-raise will often blow me off my hand.
Obviously this all depends on how observant your opponents are.

Ste05 wrote:

If he's constantly check raising, then a check may be in order, but this would depend on previous actions by both yourself and him, I think I'd play this one by year. I may even bet to induce the re-raise with the intention of coming over the top all-in to put manners on the guy, and again if I'm called I have outs to win the hand. May be too aggressive though?

I prefer waiting 'til i've a big hand against a frequent check raiser. Your play is high variance and not a great idea given your opponents line imo. I'd just take the free card against such an opponent.

Ste05 wrote:

The deeper the stacks the more likely I am to bet, and the less likely I am to check, you need to get the money in there at some stage if you hit, if you miss he won't be able to stack you, or a big re-raise can be folded, but if you hit on the river it's very unlikely you'll get all his stack, without building the pot, he hasn't shown any strength or intention to be aggressive yet, so he could be looking for a cheap showdown. I'd bet out here maybe 1/2 - 2/3 the pot, I think, obviously depending on previous actions and who the player was (LAG, TAG, passive, calling station, etc. etc. etc.) and all the other variables to take into account while playing.....

I too would be more inclined to bet with deeper stacks(say 200bb's).
You can now handle a check-raise given stack depth. Your aggression thus far and leverage of your turn bet can fold out weak K and Jx hands. And as you said, a bet gives you a chance to win a nice pot if you hit on the river.

Ste05

Excellent points as always Bozzer, 2 and 3 are sound, I see your point in 2 about the high variance and I might try and adjust my style a little in these circumstances. Good points.

In 1, I also do see your point, a couple of questions though:

Do you just give up the pot on the river to a bet should you miss and he bets out? I know it's pretty much impossible to answer this question without more background info, but would this check on the turn be a prelude to a fold if you miss (i.e. minimising losses).

And if he checks again on a blank river, do you check behind him as the default afraid of the trap. Or do you try a bluff?? Again hard to say without the Villian specified, but just generally. Try and make a lone J or K fold??

Bozzer

Ste05 wrote:

Do you just give up the pot on the river to a bet should you miss and he bets out? I know it's pretty much impossible to answer this question without more background info, but would this check on the turn be a prelude to a fold if you miss (i.e. minimising losses).

And if he checks again on a blank river, do you check behind him as the default afraid of the trap. Or do you try a bluff?? Again hard to say without the Villian specified, but just generally. Try and make a lone J or K fold??

Yeah I'm generally folding to a river bet on a blank. It might feel as though you missed an opportunity to pick up this pot but when you do hit on the river, you'll frequently get paid off. If opponent checks he will often call a full pot bet on the river as it's easy for you to have air given that; opponent has shown weakness, you checked the turn and the river is a good bluffing card.
Although they'll be less inclined to pay off an Ace river over a flush/straight card.
I've seen opponents throw out a smallish bet when a flush card hits the river, yet they still call a raise because it was a backdoor flush and they're paranoid that your pushing them around.
So you've got to keep in mind the good that can come when you hit when you think about the turn decision
Something interesting to note here is that when you check this turn and bet/raise a flush card on the river,then the chances you are bluffing increase.This is because you are not gonna check the turn with most made hands(or raise the river if he bets), and so these hands are excluded from your hand range. So if you do raise the river, you either have air or a flush. As their are many more ways you can have air, your opponent should attribute you with a larger bluffing % when you raise.

If river blanks and opponent checks I'd probably check behind. But that may be a point of playing style.

AmarilloFats

Thanks for replies.
Whether I bet the turn or not largely depends on relative stack sizes. If stack sizes are 100bb prefop I will usually take a free card in this sort of situation on the turn.
Obviously it makes sesnse to bet here as stack sizes increase you can get way from a check raise and are more likely to stack opponent if the pot is bigger on the river.

The situation that usually arises for me is villain has TP****K and is not folding. In this case I think the optimum play is to check.

I don't like the 1/2 pot bet on turn, unlesss it puts him all in!!

Bozzer. Excellent point in your last post..If you check the turn and bet/raise the river the chances you are bluffing increase..It is very unlikely you will play a made hand like this.

roryc

I don't like the initial raise on the flop. Usually if I raise with decent cards and miss the flop, I will only bet 3/4 of a pot (which has already been raised) if I have a read on the player and feel they will fold. Is this the case here?

The fact that he check calls would worry me that he could be holding AK, or perhaps AJ, therefore making my ace void. It is also often what players will do with a drawing hand such as 10 Q, also making your ace void, and taking one of your outs to the straight.

I would be willing to dump my hand to a raise on the turn if i didn't hit my Queen, but the flush draw makes it a little more interesting. I would still be wary of betting here as he could easily check raise you, putting you in a difficult situation. You have position on him and if you hit your hand (either a Queen or a heart) you will have the nuts, and can either value bet hoping for a re-raise, or bet big to make it look like a steal.

If an ace hits the river I would throw out 1/2 pot raise to get info, and would probably have to fold to a re-raise.

If the river blanks, I would check behind and hope he was drawing to a lower straight. I think any bet here would be check-raised due to you checking the turn, and I don't think stealing would be a good option here.

Amaru

This is indeed an interesting situation, and i'll give my take on things.

I like your bet on the flop. Its a good continuation bet, and i'm making this raise 9/10 times. It also sets up some good possibilities on the turn. His flat call is also interesting.

On the turn, i'm checking most times here. His flat call suggests he has a real hand, possibly a weak king or strong jack, or possibly QT. I think a bet is too risky here because he's a known checkraiser, and a flat call and a check is an unusual line if he's a good player. The check is also advantageous because it looks like you don't want to put any more money in the pot after your continuation bet got called, meaning you'll probably get paid off on the river if one of your outs hits because it looks like you're buying the pot.

On the river, fold to a bet with no hand, but to a check, its up to you on how you want to play. I'd alternate betting and checking here, depending if i think he can stand a raise or not.
If you do hit one of your outs, then a good sized bet will probably get called(unless its the ace), so bet depending on how well disguised the value of your hand has been up to the river.

Norwich Fan Rob

if i was the villian and u check the turn on that board, im calling any bet with any pair if the flush and str8 miss the river..............

nikorami

Damnit...I wrote such a nice response.

My point was that my math has you raising 6 to 7 times the BB, IMO, you need to shove it allin on the turn or overbet the pot. The guy has nothing...He would have bet the K, He may have a draw or a small pair. The 7 surely doesn't help much. You made a mistake betting 3/4 the pot on the flop in the first place. Again, He has nothing, don't give him incentive to chase.

Also of note A10 is a crap hand and doesn't deserve such credit ot merit such a raise. All IMHO.

Peace!

roryc

nikorami wrote:

my message got lost

If you are writing a long post you should select and copy it every few minutes just in case your computer freezes or you lose it

Amaru

nikorami wrote:

Damnit...I wrote such a nice response.

My point was that my math has you raising 6 to 7 times the BB, IMO, you need to shove it allin on the turn or overbet the pot. The guy has nothing...He would have bet the K, He may have a draw or a small pair. The 7 surely doesn't help much. You made a mistake betting 3/4 the pot on the flop in the first place. Again, He has nothing, don't give him incentive to chase.

Also of note A10 is a crap hand and doesn't deserve such credit ot merit such a raise. All IMHO.

Peace!

How can you push all in on the turn? 7h is not a scare card. What hand are you supposed to be representing? Pushing here screams like you're buying the pot(because you are), and any decent player will spot that. You can't take his passive play for certain that he has nothing, he could be slowplaying 2 pair or a set.

And what was wrong with his continuation bet on the flop? That's pretty standard aggressive poker. Raising with a suited AT in LP is also pretty standard.

Ste05

Please note in the defence of the OP, this is a hypothetical situation. And the discussion above seems to be focusing on Part 3 of his 4 part question. The discussion should try and stick to the turn play.

Just assume that there was a good reason for the pre-flop bet, the flop play is again basically a standard play, the difficult part of this situation arises on the turn....

Any thoughts on his other 3 points??

nikorami

Thanks Rory...I learned that the hard way. LoL:o

Sticking to the turn play...Even if he is a good player, how can he call an allin bet? Maybe allin is too extreme...But a solid bet(Pot or overbet a little). Your just giving free cards and also weakening your table image. The way to Win, not just take pots, but to win the tourney is to be aggressive when you are at th wheel. So for this hypothetical that is MHO.

PO!

Ste05

I would think all-in on this turn or to over-bet the pot on the turn is just suicide IMHO. You'll only get called if you're miles behind, and you then need to hit.

You also don't give yourself a chance to extract a little more on the river when you get called by a weaker hand that won't call this turn all-in, but, will call a value bet (or make a play on the river) when you hit....

Also I was assuming this was for a cash game more so than a tournament.

EDIT: For tournament play, there'd be loads more things to take into account then just this pure turn play, so I think it's safe to say this was for Cash games....

The_Chopper

Amaru wrote:

How can you push all in on the turn? 7h is not a scare card. What hand are you supposed to be representing? Pushing here screams like you're buying the pot(because you are), and any decent player will spot that. You can't take his passive play for certain that he has nothing, he could be slowplaying 2 pair or a set.

And what was wrong with his continuation bet on the flop? That's pretty standard aggressive poker. Raising with a suited AT in LP is also pretty standard.

The hand he could be representing throughout is AKh. Top pair and on the turn picking up the nut flush draw. A lot of players, especially in cash games will tend to push with this sort of hand.

As to the way I would play the turn - I'd bet about 1/2 the pot, it'll make him think you want a caller, which probably leaves him with two options:
1. Push all in if he thinks he can push you off the pot
2. Fold - which is a good result for you

Amaru

nikorami wrote:

Thanks Rory...I learned that the hard way. LoL

Sticking to the turn play...Even if he is a good player, how can he call an allin bet? Maybe allin is too extreme...But a solid bet(Pot or overbet a little). Your just giving free cards and also weakening your table image. The way to Win, not just take pots, but to win the tourney is to be aggressive when you are at th wheel. So for this hypothetical that is MHO.

PO!

You want a free card though, you have nothing but a big draw! If you put in a solid bet, and he check raises you all in, then what?

As far as how can he call, very simply, because your play very much narrows your range of hands. If i call in this situation with a K or J, i expect to see either pocket 7s (played either badly or overly cautious), or a draw. What other hand would try to take the pot down right there?

As far as the stacks sizes question, the more short stacked somebody is, the less i'm pushing here. I feel the less chips a person has, the more likely they are to get attached to top pair, or second pair if they feel its good. In this case, calling with second pair still has him at 65% favourite, so i'm taking that edge if i'm short stacked.

Ste05

The_Chopper wrote:

As to the way I would play the turn - I'd bet about 1/2 the pot, it'll make him think you want a caller, which probably leaves him with two options:
1. Push all in if he thinks he can push you off the pot
2. Fold - which is a good result for you

Neither are really good results for you TBH:

1. You'll probably have to fold to this re-raise unless he's short stacked.
2. You'll win nothing more if you hit on the river.

You want your bet to be called. Thus building the pot, not over committing yourself should you miss, and leaving yourself with another bullet should you think it will work....

Norwich Fan Rob

i doubt very much villian would check 2 pair or a set on a board with that many draws, this is the street for a set to get the money in against a draw, unless villian is certain u will bluff the river if u miss.

Ste05

Amaru wrote:

As far as the stacks sizes question, the more short stacked somebody is, the less i'm pushing here. I feel the less chips a person has, the more likely they are to get attached to top pair, or second pair if they feel its good. In this case, calling with second pair still has him at 65% favourite, so i'm taking that edge if i'm short stacked.

The reason you push if he's short stacked, is that your implied odds are not big enough to warrant a tricky play, just take the pot down now. If he calls you still have outs....

You have to forget about tournament play and strategy, etc. it's all based on this one particular hand and the EV of your play.

Amaru

The_Chopper wrote:

The hand he could be representing throughout is AKh. Top pair and on the turn picking up the nut flush draw. A lot of players, especially in cash games will tend to push with this sort of hand.

I've never seen anybody but a microlimits player push all in on the turn with TPTK and the nut flush draw. Its horrible play. Instead of extracting maximum value on what is a huge hand, you'd be driving opponents out. What river card are you worried about that you want all your money in the pot on 4th street?

Ste05 wrote:

Also I was assuming this was for a cash game more so than a tournament.

EDIT: For tournament play, there'd be loads more things to take into account then just this pure turn play, so I think it's safe to say this was for Cash games....

I had assumed this was tournament play, because of his reference to the stacks in terms of BB's and also the relative stack sizes.

Jaden

I check this, I have a massive draw, but that's all I have, a draw.

If the game is deepstacked, pick a better spot to get aggressive. If he's short stacked, and you are not, then you can go mad with A,10s. But the way this was played reeks of buying the pot, as a previous poster pointed out. If I was the other chap, I'd probably play it the same way he did. It looks like he had had hit a K or J, probably a J, but you can't discount a small PP. Either way, you are behind, so it is in your interest to keep the pot small until you make your hand, unless you really need the chips.

Ste05

Amaru wrote:

I had assumed this was tournament play, because of his reference to the stacks in terms of BB's and also the relative stack sizes.

Well in a cash game, this is the only thing that really matters, apart from reads, etc.

Tournaments require looking at bubble position, stage of the tournament, your position in chips compared to the rest of the tournament, timing of the blinds, etc. etc. etc. I don't need to tell you about tournament strategy,;)

In a deep stack tournament the same would probably apply, but certainly everything I wrote related to cash games, I think Bozzer was too, however a tournament discussion could probably be equally as informative, but I think someone would have to put in some more assumptions..

Amaru

Whenever i hear stacks being talked about in terms of BB's though, i automatically assume tournament. Cash game players will usually talk in the real money amount. However, seen as this is a hypothetical situation, then its hard to know.

The_Chopper

I've been thinking of this in terms of cash games.
If you've top pair with top kicker and the nut flush draw there's no guarantee that you'll win after the turn. If come the river you've just top pair with top kicker and loose - would you not regret taking the pot down on the turn when you had a chance?

I've played in quite a few cash games - I cannot tell you the amount of times I've had top pair with top kicker and the nut flush draw on the flop and still lost the pot.

On a seperate note you're much more likely to get a pay off on your monsters if you bet them out.

The_Chopper

Ste05 wrote:

Neither are really good results for you TBH:

1. You'll probably have to fold to this re-raise unless he's short stacked.
2. You'll win nothing more if you hit on the river.

You want your bet to be called. Thus building the pot, not over committing yourself should you miss, and leaving yourself with another bullet should you think it will work....

Why do you want your bet called? You have nothing but a drawing hand. You're bluffing on the turn with outs, that's all you're doing. You have maybe 12, if the ace isn't live. The reason I would only bet half the pot here is cos I am representing that I want a caller. An all in bet can seem weak and may be called with top pair or even 2nd pair.

Ste05

To build the pot, thereby increasing the chance of stacking your opponent if you hit.

But alot of this depends on the opponent. Although, different strokes and all that, my style is just aggressive, I'd do the same thing with a made hand as I would with a draw, just to keep my opponents guessing and to keep them paying off on my made hands.

Read the first few posts in this thread for more of my reasons and some good arguments against it...

Amaru

The_Chopper wrote:

I've been thinking of this in terms of cash games.
If you've top pair with top kicker and the nut flush draw there's no guarantee that you'll win after the turn. If come the river you've just top pair with top kicker and loose - would you not regret taking the pot down on the turn when you had a chance?

I've played in quite a few cash games - I cannot tell you the amount of times I've had top pair with top kicker and the nut flush draw on the flop and still lost the pot.

On a seperate note you're much more likely to get a pay off on your monsters if you bet them out.

In short, no i wouldn't regret pushing on the turn if i lost the pot. Like i said, TPTK and NFD is a very strong holding. If it came to the river and i've missed my flush, i still have a lot of confidence in my hand, unless the board is very dangerous. There's just not many hands you're behind to on a turn with that holding that you could warrant trying to take the pot down right there. In the long run i think its a -EV push.

And yes, you are much more likely to get paid off on your monsters if you bet them out, but the OP is not holding a monster, just a big draw. Ax suited is at best a drawing hand.

AmarilloFats

I was talking about a hypothetical cash game scenario!6seater,at ~1/2NL.
The original posters discussed how their thinking line changed depending on the villains stack size.
I come in with a raise alot and with alot
worse than ATs. I also continuation bet alot. This is ABC poker.

So villain will often call with any pair as I often give up on the turn(unimproved).
This is a raisers flop. I would bet this flop 99% after my preflop raise..
The villains I play against on VC 1/2.Could have anything from K5,J7,QT,44,KK,A2,
DEPENDING ON OPPONENT.
If I think villain is good(if he's good he will have at least the maximum buy in
preflop) and will lay down (as big a hand as)KQ to a turn bet, I will bet. The folding equity + the chance to hit the nuts on river = good.

if I think villain is a caller, and will NOT fold to a turn bet with J9,k5,
AND WILL PAY off with their stack if i hit on river I will check and take a free card.

Not sure what a 1/2 pot achieves. Looks weak a good player mite play back.
Not enuff to make a K maybe J Fold!!

RORYC- you don't like a normal 3/4 continuation bet!!!!!??
I am usually aware of the players that are gonna show me TPTK in this spot.

roryc

Yes, unless I am table CL, or I have a decent read on the player I will usually check this flop.

AmarilloFats

roryc wrote:

Yes, unless I am table CL, or I have a decent read on the player I will usually check this flop.

It's a cash game.

cardshark202

roryc wrote:

Yes, unless I am table CL, or I have a decent read on the player I will usually check this flop.

I never bet with AA unless an ace flops:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Seriously though, any flop containing high cards is a good flop for a preflop raiser. How you're not betting here is beyond me. You're giving up so many 'free' pots. Continuation betting is fairly standard both cash and tourney play and pretty integral imo.

roryc

AmarilloFats wrote:

It's a cash game.

Is it??
It never specified! I presumed it was a tournament


If it was a cash game I would lead out with a pot sized bet

roryc

cardshark202 wrote:

I never bet with AA unless an ace flops:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Seriously though, any flop containing high cards is a good flop for a preflop raiser. How you're not betting here is beyond me. You're giving up so many 'free' pots. Continuation betting is fairly standard both cash and tourney play and pretty integral imo.

I wouldn't think so. I will usually have a good enough read on most players at my table to raise the flop, but I have learned from experience that I lose money in the long run throwing out a raise on this flop as I can't call a re-raise unless i'm CL and I'm getting odds to knock someone out of a tourney.

A continuation bet won't always work here. You have to think about what he has called the initial raise with. Chances are he has hit that flop, and unless you plan on bluffing if you miss the turn, you could be just digging a hole. I will normally throw out a continuation bet if one high card comes out, but on a scary flop like that, with only an gutshot broadway, you may get into trouble by building the pot.

The only way I can see him folding to a 3/4 pot bet after the flop is if he called the preflop raise with a low to medium pair.

AmarilloFats

roryc wrote:

I wouldn't think so. I will usually have a good enough read on most players at my table to raise the flop, but I have learned from experience that I lose money in the long run throwing out a raise on this flop as I can't call a re-raise unless i'm CL and I'm getting odds to knock someone out of a tourney.

A continuation bet won't always work here. You have to think about what he has called the initial raise with. Chances are he has hit that flop, and unless you plan on bluffing if you miss the turn, you could be just digging a hole. I will normally throw out a continuation bet if one high card comes out, but on a scary flop like that, with only an gutshot broadway, you may get into trouble by building the pot.

The only way I can see him folding to a 3/4 pot bet after the flop is if he called the preflop raise with a low to medium pair.

Hey Rory,

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=4347928

some ok post on continuation bets..
If you only bet when you hit then your range would be very narrow.
So you check the flop ~70% with AK??

AmarilloFats

Just one last link to 2+2. Brillaint post.Shania. sums up the pre flop raise and cont bets.

http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=&Number=533592&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=

ianmc38

nikorami wrote:

Thanks Rory...I learned that the hard way. LoL:o

Sticking to the turn play...Even if he is a good player, how can he call an allin bet? Maybe allin is too extreme...But a solid bet(Pot or overbet a little). Your just giving free cards and also weakening your table image. The way to Win, not just take pots, but to win the tourney is to be aggressive when you are at th wheel. So for this hypothetical that is MHO.

PO!

Sorry but i must be missing something. What if this guy is slow playing top-set? A smooth call on the flop with a dangerous board means he's holding something, and almost certainly has hit a piece of it. I think alot of decent players will check the turn as well, this time perhaps check-raising as a result of the flush and straight draws on the table.

I think the turn is a check and the river is a fold to any leading bet unless you hit your gutshot/flush. If you miss on the river and he checks i might be inclined to put in a pot-size bet, depending on my read of the player. I wouldn't rule out that he thinks you'll fold to a bet on the river and is therefore checking, hoping to check raise you(that being his only chance of increasing the pot...)

roryc

AmarilloFats wrote:

Hey Rory,

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=4347928

some ok post on continuation bets..
If you only bet when you hit then your range would be very narrow.
So you check the flop ~70% with AK??

I know when to use continuation bets, but IMHO this is NOT the right move in THIS situation IF this was a tournament. The board is too scary and you are 90% sure he is ahead. You would probably have to fold to a raise.

IF it was a cash game I wouldn't hesitate to throw out a pot sized continuation bet.

And no I don't check the flop 70% of the time with AK