finishing job, but employer not giving p45

vector

My employer is proposing that he keeps me "on his books" even though I'm finishing working there, i.e. no P45. I won't be paid a cent, he was just putting the idea to me. We are amicable and he will give me a P45 if I want to start working somewhere else, or it I want it.

Is there any advantage for me in following his proposal?
eg Will he make employers PRSI contributions, or because my income will be zero per month will that not happen.

whiskeyman

Have you found another job?
You'll need your P45 for starting that for Tax reasons.
If not, are you going to sign on?
You'll need your P45 there too.

If you're terminating your contract (you are doing this, arent you?), then get your P45.
Unless, of course, he decides to pay you for no reason...

TempestSabre

Whats the point of that?

segadreamcast

Oh, what a convenient post. Been stuck in this quandry since October now - former employer will not give me my P45, they keep giving me random excuses and it's getting to breaking point now as I needed it for my education grant *months* ago. Is there any action I can take at this point apart from my obligatory twice-weekly phonecalls/visits?

seamus

NoelRock - tell the tax office that the employer is refusing to issue a P45. The tax office will give him a quick buzz and he'll **** himself.

The only reason I can think of keeping en employee "on the books" without paying them is to run some sort of tax scam. vector - what benefit do you get for staying "on the books"?

Kinetic^

You are supposed to get your P45 on the day you leave.

There is no benefit for him to do this legally so I can only guess that he is doing this for some sort of illegal activity.

leeroybrown

Ring the tax office and tell them that your employer will not send you a P45. Doing it always seems to result in swift despatch of one.

segadreamcast

Cheers Seamus and Keyser - making my former employer **** himself sounds like a satisfying prospect !

testicle

Keyser Soze 69 wrote:

You are supposed to get your P45 on the day you leave.

No you're not. You are supposed to get it with your last pay cheque. Par example, if you get paid monthly, and leave on the 5th of the month, you will not get your P45 until the end of that month, along with your last pay cheque.

jhegarty

could he be getting some type of ida grant, and needed to keep the employed numbers to a certain level ?

sounds very dogey , if he doesn't give it to you go to the tax office....

rubadub

Sounds dodgy, the only benefit I could see is that maybe you will get enough credits to go on the dole. When I was working in college I just barely got the credits to get the dole. I know a mate who stayed on in a job for the same reason before.

Lemming

I had a problem like this with a courier company (I did work for them between leaving school & starting college). Dodgy lads they were too.

But short of the story. We were backpaid by one week, and after I'd left they were taking their sweet, sweet time giving me my last week's pay + P45, and the "managers" were never in. They were always out to lunch or in a meeting so you could never contact them apparently. One quick mention of how both the tax office & social welfare would be very interested to know I was being denied my p45 and they crapped themselves.

johnnyrotten

The employer is legally obliged to give the formeer employee a P45 when leaving. The P45 is a legal document which is needed by any future employer to employ you. It is also needed if you wish to claim unempoyment assistance or benefit.
SEE THIS:
http://oasis.gov.ie/employment/changing_jobs/change_job_tax_prsi.html

Kinetic^

testicle wrote:

No you're not. You are supposed to get it with your last pay cheque. Par example, if you get paid monthly, and leave on the 5th of the month, you will not get your P45 until the end of that month, along with your last pay cheque.

You're obliged to have it on the day you leave the company testicle.

segadreamcast

Pure coincidence: Was gonna ring work this morning at 10 to inform them of my intentions of calling the Tax Office when, at 9:40, I got a phonecall saying that my P45 was waiting there for me. Result! Thanks for the advice all the same though Seamus et al, was really looking forward to making them crap themselves but, alas, no !

vector

I'll get the P45, it seems my employer was just toying with the idea because an internal company review is approaching and he wanted to have as many "employees" under him as possible to make him appear important and worthy of a raise/BIK

AARRRGH

Well, it's a new tax year. Your tax credits have now been reset. Whether you have a P45 or not really doesn't matter: just ring the tax office and ask for your new tax credits.