Getting checkraised

RoundTower

Friday night, I get knocked out of the Citywest tourney around midnight and head for the Fitz. The only game with seats is the €50 holdem, so I take a seat. The club is buzzing, lots of people, lots of chatter. This might be the third must move €50 holdem game, definitely at least the second. I have only been at the table for about 4 hands when the following hand comes up. I don't know the villain in this hand, never seen him before. He is a young studenty type, I don't think he's drunk but it's safe to assume he's a bad player. Equally, he knows nothing about me.

8-handed, pot limit, blinds €1-€2. Villain has €170, I have more. He is second to act and makes it €7 to go. Two callers and I call one off the button. Flop is K53 with the K and 3 of hearts. Everyone checks and I bet €25. He asks "how much is the pot" and raises the pot, to €105 in total. Everyone folds to me.

What do you think his range of hands is? What hand could he have that would raise preflop, check the flop, and then raise?

Culchie

RoundTower wrote:

I have only been at the table for about 4 hands when the following hand comes up. I don't know the villain in this hand, never seen him before. He is a young studenty type, I don't think he's drunk but it's safe to assume he's a bad player. Equally, he knows nothing about me.

Had you made the assumption after 4 hands, or are you basing this on the full night of poker with him.
I'm asking this, because I'm wondering did you let this assumption bias your decision. I wouldn't be making my mind up about a person after 4 hands with someone I never played before.

8-handed, pot limit, blinds €1-€2. Villain has €170, I have more. He is second to act and makes it €7 to go. Two callers and I call one off the button. Flop is K53 with the K and 3 of hearts. Everyone checks and I bet €25. He asks "how much is the pot" and raises the pot, to €105 in total. Everyone folds to me.

What do you think his range of hands is? What hand could he have that would raise preflop, check the flop, and then raise?

I'm guessing he has AQ hearts or something, maybe AJ hearts, or AK offsuit ... but your description of the player is leaning me this way, and I think that's the more intriguing part of your question.

RoundTower

Culchie wrote:

Had you made the assumption after 4 hands, or are you basing this on the full night of poker with him.
I'm asking this, because I'm wondering did you let this assumption bias your decision. I wouldn't be making my mind up about a person after 4 hands with someone I never played before.

I had no read whatsoever on this player at the time we played this hand. I could tell you quite a lot about him now, but I think it would be counter-productive.

All I knew when we played the hand was that he was young, studenty, had about €170 in front of him, hadn't been in the game too long (this is the bottom must move game on a busy night), and that I didn't recognise him in a club where I play all the time. While I don't play that game very often I know most of the regulars and probably all of the winners.

Every single one of these factors points to him being a bad player, but at this point it would only take one hand to change my mind. It's the safest assumption until there is some evidence to the contrary. If you're not comfortable assuming he's a bad player based on this fairly whimsical evidence, pretend you know nothing about him.

Culchie

RoundTower wrote:

I had no read whatsoever on this player at the time we played this hand. I could tell you quite a lot about him now, but I think it would be counter-productive.

All I knew when we played the hand was that he was young, studenty, had about €170 in front of him, hadn't been in the game too long (this is the bottom must move game on a busy night), and that I didn't recognise him in a club where I play all the time. While I don't play that game very often I know most of the regulars and probably all of the winners.

Every single one of these factors points to him being a bad player, but at this point it would only take one hand to change my mind. It's the safest assumption until there is some evidence to the contrary. If you're not comfortable assuming he's a bad player based on this fairly whimsical evidence, pretend you know nothing about him.

That's what I was asking, was your assumption made at the time of the hand, or retrospectively.
You have to make assumptions on everyone.

I'll stick with my guess at his range of hands then.

Lafortezza

QQ/JJ/TT, AK with the A or K of hearts.
If he had something like AhJh he might peel one and see the turn. Studenty types don't want to put their whole stack on the line on a draw.

The reason I say QQ/JJ/TT is that studenty types can get married to their hands, especially after raising preflop, since he raised preflop he wants the pot because he 'claimed it first' and doesn't want to fold.
Check-raising the max put the full amount of pressure on you to continue with the hand.


Maybe.

cardshark202

If you assume he's probably a bad player his range is far greater than mentioned. AK/KQ/KJ/AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AQh/AJh/ATh are all possible. Having said that, checkraising is quite rare in the 50 holdem game and I've found the most likely hands you're up against are flush draws. I'd say the villian is holding the nut flush draw although its very hard to put him on a range of hands with such little info.