M50/M1 Junction to become Irelands biggest Traffic Jam!

johnnyrotten

I made an enquiry recently to the Department of Transport about the upgrading of the M50/M1 junction.
The works on the DPT (Dublin Port Tunnel) has being ongoing for over 4 years now, but in that 4 years there has been no works carried out on the M50/M1 junction.

Picture the scene:
All Port traffic will have to Use the M50 > M1 > DPT. So trucks will drive to end of M50 to be met by a signalled controlled roundabout with the possibility of two sets of RED lights.
Can you imagine the traffic tailbacks with all these trucks waiting for green.
This junction should have been upgraded in the last 4 years of DPT tunnel works to coincide with the opening of the DPT in April/May 2006.

The answer I got this week was that the junction uprade is part of the M50 upgrade scheme Which will start in 2007 and finish in 2010


MAJOR TRAFFIC CHAOS AHEAD FOLKS

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murphaph

johnnyrotten wrote:

All Port traffic will have to Use the M50 > M1 > DPT

This isn't true. Trucks can use the N11 > East Link route to access the port too. Many trucks may actually head this way rather than paying the more expensive toll to cross the Westlink Bridge and it may prove a faster route for many trucks anyway. I'm not saying there won't be traffic chaos, just that it's not as simple as every port bound lorry having to get around to the M1.

corktina

will there be weight limits put on to stop trucks from using the current route through the city? I cant see too many truckers heading south being too happy to have to go north to the M50 and then having to pay at the toll bridge.....

johnnyrotten

murphaph wrote:

This isn't true. Trucks can use the N11 > East Link route to access the port too. Many trucks may actually head this way rather than paying the more expensive toll to cross the Westlink Bridge and it may prove a faster route for many trucks anyway. I'm not saying there won't be traffic chaos, just that it's not as simple as every port bound lorry having to get around to the M1.

I'am not sure you are correct there. What route will they take to get from N11 to East Link?

Maskhadov

here's one for ya.

Relocate Dublin port out of Dublin, build the eastern by pass and solve all the traffic problems in one go !

corktina

it is signposted by that route at the moment....

johnnyrotten

Maskhadov wrote:

here's one for ya.

Relocate Dublin port out of Dublin, build the eastern by pass and solve all the traffic problems in one go !

Now thats not likely to happen after spending €1.3 billion on the DPT

johnnyrotten

corktina wrote:

it is signposted by that route at the moment....

I think the Idea of the DPT is to take trucks off the city streets. Trucks using N11/Eastlink will have to travel through Sandymount /Ballsbridge/Merrion/Ringsend areas ( not exactly getting the trucks off the streets is it )

Maskhadov

johnnyrotten wrote:

Now thats not likely to happen after spending €1.3 billion on the DPT

The DPT is the biggest con job on the island to date. It only a tunnel but the price is astronomical.

Relocating the port would be the best decision any government has made since the foundation of the nation.

The port should never have been kept in Dublin bay. The whole situation has gone beyond farcial:D

johnnyrotten

Ok you are probably right. But the Cold fact is that the Tunnel is here to stay and Probably the Port aswell. My Original Post was about the Junction of the M1/M50 and the delays that will be caused there.

Litcagral

Maskhadov wrote:

The port should never have been kept in Dublin bay. The whole situation has gone beyond farcial:D

Yes, they should have moved it to Athlone years ago!!!



On a serious note though, I thought there was a large port being earmarked for Bremore in Balbriggan.

mysterious

PLUNDER IS THE WORD,:D

We are dooooooooooooommmmmmmmmeed!!!
I'm not driving anymore, hope that will ease the conjestion. :rolleyes:

mysterious

Litcagral wrote:

Yes, they should have moved it to Athlone years ago!!!



On a serious note though, I thought there was a large port being earmarked for Bremore in Balbriggan.

I don't understand what you were saying about Athlone, but I'm going to react to it, duho

How does Atlone got anything to do with the M1/M50 Junction I mean really here, but its really hilarious when someone brings up Atlone, when it comes to an airport, Airplanes, Circus, Super duper roads, Conference centres, National Stadium, I don't know a metro?? the city of the west, bla bla bla.

(..... deep breath....) and now a seaport this is the best yet...

Its getting obvious for years now, nothing like anything obove has ever came across the thoughts of a developer to build anything like that in the beepin place, Everytime something is wrong with the country, oh let's bring everything to Athlone, no no


so now. Athlone is not getting a seaport, and thats that.
P.s not interested:D
back to the Port tunnel, where were we then,,,:o

johnnyrotten

mysterious wrote:

back to the Port tunnel, where were we then,,,:o

Back to M50/M1 Junction Upgrade!

Litcagral

mysterious wrote:

I don't understand what you were saying about Athlone, but I'm going to react to it, duho

How does Atlone got anything to do with the M1/M50 Junction I mean really here, but its really hilarious when someone brings up Atlone, when it comes to an airport, Airplanes, Circus, Super duper roads, Conference centres, National Stadium, I don't know a metro?? the city of the west, bla bla bla.

(..... deep breath....) and now a seaport this is the best yet...

Its getting obvious for years now, nothing like anything obove has ever came across the thoughts of a developer to build anything like that in the beepin place, Everytime something is wrong with the country, oh let's bring everything to Athlone, no no


so now. Athlone is not getting a seaport, and thats that.
P.s not interested:D
back to the Port tunnel, where were we then,,,:o

It's generally known as humour (Athlone-inland-port-etc). Relax. Maybe I'm on the wrong forum.

PS Athlone is in the centre of Ireland which may explain why it's referred to so much.

corktina

widen the Royal Canal and the Shannon...hey thats not as daft as it sounds......no dafter than moving the port of Dublin after building a tunnel to it....

now where were we, oh yes M50/M1 junction.....is the tunnel long enough to contaiin the queue of trucks off the morning ferries one one wonders....?Maybe they could move the customs inspection to the M50 junction and kill two birds with one stone?

Maskhadov

the port tunnel can then be used as the eastern bypass that all of Dublin needs

I just hope no cars use the port tunnel because if they are paying and there are a lot of them it will create a big tail back.

I cant wait to see the M-50 once the lorries all start using it. the M1/M50 will be hetic no matter what anyone says.

mysterious

corktina wrote:

widen the Royal Canal and the Shannon...hey thats not as daft as it sounds......no dafter than moving the port of Dublin after building a tunnel to it....

now where were we, oh yes M50/M1 junction.....is the tunnel long enough to contaiin the queue of trucks off the morning ferries one one wonders....?Maybe they could move the customs inspection to the M50 junction and kill two birds with one stone?

VERY DAFT!! this is just pathethic why would you want to spend millions on wideing Miles of waterway in the most inland town in ireland, :rolleyes:

I tell ya, if you can give me a plan on it, then i'd reconsider it, but no.

Think of all the towns you'd dig up. can you name a few?
with the ships of today you better find me a big lovely looking shovel. what about the environmental effects, the pollution? land occupation? relocation of houses etc.
Not economical so let's get back to the Ballbriggan plan then shall we?

joolsveer

I remember the ESB proposal. I didn't think it was as long ago as 1989 though. At least Loughshinny is nearer than Athlone!


New Deepwater Port Proposed for Dublin
2005-05-27
Irish Times
Dublin Port's plan to infill a further 50 acres of Dublin Bay may no longer be necessary if a plan by the Drogheda Port Company to develop a new deepwater port at Bremore, just north of Balbriggan, gets off the ground.

The port company has acquired an option on 150 acres of land for the first phase of the proposed new port, which would be capable of handling five million tonnes of freight a year in its initial phase. Further expansion could boost this to 20 million tonnes.

A report by consultants John Mangan and Associates, commissioned by Drogheda Port, noted that the National Spatial Strategy had identified the need to divert traffic out of Dublin Port to other ports, particularly on the east and south coasts.

They said the proposed port at Bremore "has significant traffic potential which can be quite readily realised", especially given its location close to the M1 motorway and the Dublin-Belfast railway line. The M50 and Dublin airport were also "within easy reach".

No price tag has been put on the scheme, for which Drogheda Port has yet to lodge a planning application. But it closely mirrors a proposal put forward in 1989 by consultants ESB International to relocate the cargo component of Dublin Port to a new port at Loughshinny.

Maskhadov

i think he was joking about the canal thing.

The relocation of Dublin Port makes perfect sense. We get rid of all the lorries, free up the area for a Sydney styled sea front plus we get an eastern bypass:)

corktina

mysterious wrote:

VERY DAFT!! this is just pathethic why would you want to spend millions on wideing Miles of waterway in the most inland town in ireland, :rolleyes:

I tell ya, if you can give me a plan on it, then i'd reconsider it, but no.

Think of all the towns you'd dig up. can you name a few?
with the ships of today you better find me a big lovely looking shovel. what about the environmental effects, the pollution? land occupation? relocation of houses etc.
Not economical so let's get back to the Ballbriggan plan then shall we?

have you no sense of humour at all? Jeez


and I thought I quite nicely brought the subject back to the M50 interchange too...........

Victor

corktina wrote:

will there be weight limits put on to stop trucks from using the current route through the city? I cant see too many truckers heading south being too happy to have to go north to the M50 and then having to pay at the toll bridge.....

Initially 5-axle trucks will be banned from the city centre from 07:00-19:00 daily, then 4-axles trucks in a 3-5 years time. In practice, the only ways across the Liffey for trucks during the day will be the Eastlink, Westlink and Lucan bridges.

http://www.dublincity.ie/living_in_the_city/getting_around/by_car/traffic_management/development_of_draft_hgv_management_strategy.asp

corktina

Victor wrote:

Initially 5-axle trucks will be banned from the city centre from 07:00-19:00 daily, then 4-axles trucks in a 3-5 years time. In practice, the only ways across the Liffey for trucks during the day will be the Eastlink, Westlink and Lucan bridges.

http://www.dublincity.ie/living_in_the_city/getting_around/by_car/traffic_management/development_of_draft_hgv_management_strategy.asp

thats OK,,,i've only 2 axles and one of thems a bit loose....:D

johnnyrotten

Maskhadov wrote:

I cant wait to see the M-50 once the lorries all start using it. the M1/M50 will be hetic no matter what anyone says.

My whole point

mysterious

corktina wrote:

have you no sense of humour at all? Jeez


and I thought I quite nicely brought the subject back to the M50 interchange too...........

yes yes, i have copped on now!:) So you think I have no humour then