My Idea for a Time Machine....

JC 2K3

Going on the principle that time passes more slowly when an object is moving(in relation to a slower moving/static object in another frame of reference), if a massive craft was somehow able to orbit the earth at say 80% of the speed of light and inside that another smaller craft was able to fly around in a circle at 80% of the speed of light etc. with people inside the very smallest craft they'd be able to travel quite far into the future, no?

I'd presume this would work quite well with a slower speed also, considering that might be an unfeasable speed to reach(although the whole idea is probably unfeasable...)

munky

Well, the internal craft is either going to be canceling out it extra speed by moving forward and back awards along the craft in it it circle, meaning over all it would be traveling at the same speed as the larger craft.
If it is moving in circles around say the center then its going to have to move forward too in order to prevent it from hitting the back wall,but then the motion will be laterial and again the over all speed will be similar to the speed of the larger craft.
Beside no human would be able to survive that speed in a gravitational field, and no craft would be able to withstand the friction, it would just...explode!



I think...

Son Goku

Yeah, the overall time dilation effect will be similar to the larger craft. However moving at 80% of the speed of light around a planet will kick you into the future fairly quickly.

If you were just moving at the speed of light in 10 of your years Earth will have aged 16.6 years, but because your moving at that speed around Earth it'll be pushed up to 18 years.

Capt'n Midnight

munky wrote:

Beside no human would be able to survive that speed in a gravitational field,

They've levitated a frog with a strong magnetic field. maybe something similar might work. I've no idea if the effect would be only skin deep or if it would be uniform on all tissues and at all depths.
http://www.hfml.ru.nl/froglev.html

JC 2K3

Son Goku wrote:

Yeah, the overall time dilation effect will be similar to the larger craft. However moving at 80% of the speed of light around a planet will kick you into the future fairly quickly.

Hmm... I thought that if craft was travelling at a high speed inside the other craft then time would pass more slowly inside the smaller craft than for a stationary object inside the larger craft, multiplying the time dilation effect in realation to Earth....

JC 2K3

munky wrote:

no craft would be able to withstand the friction, it would just...explode!

No need for air... Humans would have spacesuits, although it wouldn't matter if there was air inside the smallest craft.

Son Goku

JC 2K3 wrote:

Hmm... I thought that if craft was travelling at a high speed inside the other craft then time would pass more slowly inside the smaller craft than for a stationary object inside the larger craft, multiplying the time dilation effect in realation to Earth....

No, because there is an acceleration involved.

Gone West

I have a question about this. The value that you gave for the difference in the speed of time was the theoretical value (AFAIK). Whats the correlation between this and the experimental value?

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The force of the earths gravitational field can be negated if you recalibrate the dialithium crystals to resonate at the same frequency as the inertial dampners.

Son Goku

FuzzyLogic wrote:

I have a question about this. The value that you gave for the difference in the speed of time was the theoretical value (AFAIK). Whats the correlation between this and the experimental value?

They agree to within a ten thousandth of a percent.

The Free Man

FuzzyLogic wrote:

The force of the earths gravitational field can be negated if you recalibrate the dialithium crystals to resonate at the same frequency as the inertial dampners.

like putting too much air in a baloon!

Gurgle

JC 2K3 wrote:

Going on the principle that time passes more slowly when an object is moving...

...and right there is where it all falls apart
Dont confuse scientific fact with mathematical derivation.

Son Goku

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It is a scientific fact. It's a measured effect that time slows down for moving bodies.
It is also derived from Special Relativity.

Gurgle

Son Goku wrote:

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It's a measured effect that time slows down for moving bodies.
It is also derived from Special Relativity.

ok, some quick googling tells me I can't argue the toss with special relativity.

Can I have a go in your time machine JC?

JC 2K3

Gurgle wrote:

ok, some quick googling tells me I can't argue the toss with special relativity.

Can I have a go in your time machine JC?

Sure, just need a patent first....