I need to register a .ie

yellow

I am setting up an online business and wish to set up as a .ie.
However it is a small business between myself and a friend so we do not have a business registration number etc.

Anyone know how I can register a .ie simply, that is without facing all the obstacles I seem to come across.

ButtermilkJack

When I registered my .ie they asked me for my 'business name registration number'. This is perhaps the easiest way to get a .ie because registering a business name (which you must do if you want to trade under that name) only costs €30 or thereabouts (the prices may have changed now that they've gone electronic with their applications?).

I'm not sure if they will give you one without some kind of proof.

steve-hosting36

www.cro.ie - Registered Business Name - will cost €20

Then use the receipt for the application as grounds for the .ie name.

Simple as that

HTH, Stephen

mneylon

If you intend on trading under a name other than your own, then you really should register the business name. It isn't difficult and you will find it makes your life considerably easier (not just with IE domains)

rogue-entity

One question? Why would you need to have a Business Reg no. in order to get a .ie, surly the IEDR is not that bad that they make it incredibly difficult for ordinary Irish citizens to get a domain from there own country? Oh wait, it is.

.ie is probably the most expensive of all the country-level TLDs, Heck I can get a .uk for €5/year (not that I would ever do such a thing ).

One other question, why is .ie so expensive and why have they not delegated SLDs such as gov.ie com.ie ac.ie etc

mneylon

rogue-entity wrote:

.ie is probably the most expensive of all the country-level TLDs

No it isn't. Not by a longshot

limbovski

So its not possible to register www.yourname.ie as in www.jimmygrimble.ie unless of course you have that name registered as a company???

mneylon

If you are an artist, author, politician or celebrity you can register your name:

http://blacknight.ie/irishdomains.0.html#personaltradename

Creamy Goodness

so you can't have a .ie address for personal use?? as i was going to avail of your 30 euro offer.

mneylon

Cremo wrote:

so you can't have a .ie address for personal use?? as i was going to avail of your 30 euro offer.

You can have an IE for personal use as long as it is clearly not commercial.

Creamy Goodness

ahh right, actually i didn't see the link you posted.

will avail of your offer soon though.

Thanks

mneylon

Cremo - If you have any questions let me know

vector

I also want johndoe.ie
(where that is my name)

I don't want to get a RBN because then for the rest of my life, stalkers can find out my address by going to cro.ie/search!

How much leeway is there in the category of

descr: John Doe
descr: Natural Person
descr: Discretionary Name

I have seen people do that a few times with genericword.ie

I could provide a passport

Novara.ie

vector wrote:

I also want johndoe.ie
(where that is my name)

I don't want to get a RBN because then for the rest of my life, stalkers can find out my address by going to cro.ie/search!

How much leeway is there in the category of

descr: John Doe
descr: Natural Person
descr: Discretionary Name

I have seen people do that a few times with genericword.ie

I could provide a passport

But stalkers will be able to find some of your details by doing a simple whois search on your domain, so what difference will that make?

As Blackknight mentioned above, unless your in one of the categories then the IEDR will not grant you the name. A passport is only acceptable if you are going to register a domain that consists of your 2 initials and 2 digits after it, eg. jd01.ie as per their website https://www.domainregistry.ie/RegistrationPolicy.php

A bit of a bummer, but they are the rules

vector

Novara.ie wrote:

But stalkers will be able to find some of your details by doing a simple whois search on your domain, so what difference will that make?

The IEDR whois doesn't output the registrants address (well, for the moment anyway)

mneylon

Novara.ie wrote:

But stalkers will be able to find some of your details by doing a simple whois search on your domain

IEDR whois only gives out basic details ie. Name.
No address / telephone or email details are available via whois.

Novara.ie

Yeah I know that, but in relation to businesses, they give out the Business name, or owner of the domain and the Admin contact in that company and nowadays all you need is a name to find out everything about someone.....so I hear

mneylon

Novara.ie wrote:

Yeah I know that, but in relation to businesses, they give out the Business name, or owner of the domain and the Admin contact in that company and nowadays all you need is a name to find out everything about someone.....so I hear

That's absolute rubbish.

If you had, for example, a sole trader called John Murphy (or another common name) trading as "john murphy plumbers" you would be hard pushed to connect the business name to an actual person.

If you want to scaremonger please do so based on tangible facts.

Thanks

Michele

vector

Even if there was a sole trader with an unusual name such as Jureki Smyzxyth you couldnt find him (because persons trading as their true name with no aditions are not obliged to register a business name), if he traded as Smyzxyth Plumbing then he would have to resister.

Anyhow, back to my post, how much leeway is there in the discretionary category...

domain: browse.ie
descr: [blacknights personal name]
descr: Natural Person
descr: Discretionary Name

Novara.ie

blacknight wrote:

That's absolute rubbish.

If you had, for example, a sole trader called John Murphy (or another common name) trading as "john murphy plumbers" you would be hard pushed to connect the business name to an actual person.

If you want to scaremonger please do so based on tangible facts.

Thanks

Michele

Scaremonger? Its an opinion to the comment posted and in my opinion someone can be found and contacted from an IEDR whois as from the CRO website.

Not the easiest route it probably isn't and to be fair success rates will be very low or nil, but if it can happen, it will happen.

vector

To demonstrate my point consider how easy it is to contact
Gabor Varga
or
Jozsef Petho

mneylon

Vector - They registered over 60 generic type domains in the last couple of weeks.

mneylon

Novara.ie wrote:

Scaremonger? Its an opinion to the comment posted and in my opinion someone can be found and contacted from an IEDR whois as from the CRO website.

And do you tell all your clients this?

Novara.ie

Sure they've all got RBN's so it wouldn't be that hard.

Anyway in relation to Discretionary name leeway, you wouldn't get that under Personal Name. They'd look for a RBN or proof that you are trading with that name.

As Blackknight said really, artists, politicians etc would be the only ones that stand a good chance of getting a full name for themselves.

Novara.ie

blacknight wrote:

And do you tell all your clients this?

Why of course not, that would be silly :rolleyes:

mneylon

vector wrote:

Even if there was a sole trader with an unusual name such as Jureki Smyzxyth you couldnt find him (because persons trading as their true name with no aditions are not obliged to register a business name), if he traded as Smyzxyth Plumbing then he would have to resister.

Anyhow, back to my post, how much leeway is there in the discretionary category...

domain: browse.ie
descr: [blacknights personal name]
descr: Natural Person
descr: Discretionary Name

It all comes back to what you are trying to do with the domain and who you are.. I know that sounds vague

If you were putting together a hobby site, such as .. em ..
ilovestamps.ie (random example)
to share your love of stamps and philately then you could probably get it under the Natural Person discretionary, as it would be accepted that you had no intention of doing business (trading) with the name.

If, however, you are trading with the name you would normally need a registered business name.

mneylon

Novara.ie wrote:

Why of course not, that would be silly :rolleyes:

So saying it on a public forum is acceptable?

vector

blacknight wrote:

If you were putting together a hobby site, such as .. em ..
ilovestamps.ie (random example)
to share your love of stamps and philately then you could probably get it under the Natural Person discretionary, as it would be accepted that you had no intention of doing business (trading) with the name.

I like the idea, sounds fair.

However, what if you put adsense on your stamps site, say a few months in or what if you added a shopping cart, while you site started off as non-profit it may have grown.

mneylon

Vector - the IEDR policies ordinarily cover the assignment of domain names. They do not "police" usage unless there is a dispute or spam/abuse complaint.

Shortnose

This is an interesting thread.

Here in the US, all you have to do is pick a name and voila! Pay for it and it's yours. We even have the option of making it 'private', which means the particular domain registrar (godaddy.com in my case) acts as proxy. You don't have to have a biz name, just the desire to buy buy buy.

Now, the only domain suffix that cannot be 'private' is .US.

I recently tried to get a .eu domain, but found I couldn't as only eu residents can buy those. Alas...

mneylon

Shortnose - while this may be advantageous for the genuine users of the internet it is also a huge problem. Spammers, phishers and other fraudsters are able to register hundreds of domains, rip people off and basically get away with it. We get targetted by them on a regular basis, which is why we decided to block access to our order forms for most of the world outside the EU. (if someone legit wants to buy from us they can, but not in the same way)

AARRRGH

LOL funny thread... I love when hosts post...

You can register a business name with something other than your home address...

Is www.john.ie an artist...? Someone please define "artist" for me...

mneylon

dublindude wrote:

LOL funny thread... I love when hosts post...

Why?

dublindude wrote:

You can register a business name with something other than your home address...

You could, but it would probably have to be a legitimate address. I suppose you might be able to do is c/o your accountant or someone .. I'm not sure if that's possible or even legal..

dublindude wrote:

Is www.john.ie an artist...? Someone please define "artist" for me...

Have a look at the whois. It's down as an RBN...

vector

I agree that a RBN from the CRO is the easiest way to please the IEDR if you don't have any substantive documentary supports.

However I wonder about the tax implications or registering a business name. In doing so you are making yourself a registered sole trader. People say this means nothing... But I wonder does this mean you must file annual returns, even if the figures are zero... is it a requirement? Everyone says not, but wait a few years when the revenue are looking for some more money, and they will target non-filers and people will pay penalties... or am I wrong.

Only reply if you have concrete information.

mneylon

If you do a lookup on any RBN you will see clearly that there is no "next filing date" listed.
Until such time as the CRO says otherwise I do not see how you could have any extra fiscal liability. It would be like taxing an idea

vector

I think I see a nice path.

I register the RBN "example123" as an "individual" and get the domain "example123.ie"

The IEDR are happy.

Now lets say I immediately cancel the RBN at the CRO (they have a form for that)

WexCan

There aren't any filing rquirements for a RBN. A lot of the time RBNs are taken by limited companies who want to trade under a different name, or, as said above, by sole traders whol want to trade under a name but don't want to register a company.