What do ye think of this?

Steoob

http://www.thomann.de/thoiw6_artikel-180740.html

im just lookin for something to amplifly myself at practice... its seems ok for the price.. i dont want to spend too much coz it would seem kinda pointless cz i'd never need it for gigs usually..because they always have some kinda pa in places to play gigs...

so what do ye think?

Patricide

Dont Forget to tell them what you have to be louder than there Sven.

He HAS to be louder than the following,

Marshall Dfx 100 watt(1X12)
Marshall Avt 150 watt(2X10)
Ashdown mag 300- 300watt
1 X Loud Drummer/Ponycrow

Steoob

ya but the randalls only 75w...and the marshalls are ****

Patricide

No just sheldons one.

Eoin Madsen

150w per side isn't great. You'd be better of with a single 250w or 300w monitor speaker. You'll get a higher threshold feedback with a floor monitor as well. If you try and get something active you can avoid having to bother with the PA head.

Steoob

can you give me a nice example of something good and cheap...limit is around 300...PAs confuse alot

Eoin Madsen

Probably this:
http://www.thomann.de/thoiw6_the_box_ma1520_aktivmonitor_prodinfo.html

And this: http://www.thomann.de/thoiw6_behringer_ub1204pro_eurorack_prodinfo.html or this: http://www.thomann.de/thoiw6_behringer_ub802_eurorack_prodinfo.html

Tbh, spending any less than that would be a waste of money anyway. If you're that strapped for cash, then don't buy yet.

Paladin

Keep an eye open for 2nd hand stuff as well. There is often stuff on the for sale boards. Or the buy and sell.

The active moniter is a much better idea than the crap PA, because the moniter WILL be useful for gigs, but the PA will not.

Steoob

Eoin Madsen wrote:

Probably this:
http://www.thomann.de/thoiw6_the_box_ma1520_aktivmonitor_prodinfo.html

And this: http://www.thomann.de/thoiw6_behringer_ub1204pro_eurorack_prodinfo.html or this: http://www.thomann.de/thoiw6_behringer_ub802_eurorack_prodinfo.html

Tbh, spending any less than that would be a waste of money anyway. If you're that strapped for cash, then don't buy yet.

but i dont really get it, yaknow the first speaker you recommended...do i need a mixer for that? and if i do does it have to be a power mixer or can it just be a non power mixer due to the speaker being active? if im totally wrong its because i know nothing about PAs it confuses the ****eballs out of me

Eoin Madsen

It's simple enough. There's three parts in a PA system: Preamp - poweramp - speakers.

A mixer or mixing desk contains preamps designed for microphones. When we say something is "active" or "powered" it means that it has a poweramp built in. So you could have a three part system, or a two part system with either the speakers or the mixer (but not both) active. "Passive" or "unpowered" would be the opposite terms.

The PA head you were looking at originally is an example of an active mixer. The two speakers are passive. The combination I suggested has an active speaker and a passive mixer.

Secondhand isn't a bad idea either.

Steoob

Eoin Madsen wrote:

It's simple enough. There's three parts in a PA system: Preamp - poweramp - speakers.

A mixer or mixing desk contains preamps designed for microphones. When we say something is "active" or "powered" it means that it has a poweramp built in. So you could have a three part system, or a two part system with either the speakers or the mixer (but not both) active. "Passive" or "unpowered" would be the opposite terms.

The PA head you were looking at originally is an example of an active mixer. The two speakers are passive. The combination I suggested has an active speaker and a passive mixer.

Secondhand isn't a bad idea either.

o ok i kinda get it now i looked up a guide about it... ok so i'll probably go for the active speaker/passive mixer option, you know the speaker that you sugested... would i have to get 2 of those or would one be enough??

Eoin Madsen

One would be fine for monitoring a single vocal.

Steoob

and would it be loud enough? its a pretty loud practice as it is very heavy metal...

Eoin Madsen

It should be fairly loud, definitely enough to compete with a band at unamplified drumkit level anyway. You can never have too much power available, especially for vocals, but you won't get much higher than that unless you're planning on forking out even more.

Steoob

cool so you would definatly support me gettin the box monitor and the smaller behringer mixer?

would you think of getting 2 of these instead? http://www.thomann.de/thoiw6_the_box_pa110a_prodinfo.html

Eoin Madsen

Not really. A floor monitor is better suited to what you want to do than that. You'll never have upright speakers aimed at you in a gig scenario, it'll always be floor monitors (for good reason). But it also makes more sense to get used to that in practice.

Steoob

hmm that makes alot of sense... in the way that monitors are for hearing yourself and an upright speaker is for the audience to hear.. but saying that...upright speakers do work in a practice situation but your saying a monitor works better...hmm interesting

Eoin Madsen

Most people just use upright speakers because no one thought to suggest otherwise. The reason stage monitors are positioned the way they are (on the ground directly in front of the mic) is that it yields the highest feedback threshold - you can get a lot louder without getting feedback. It's a big problem in a small practice room. You could get a 1000w PA and not use half its power purely on account of feedback.

Steoob

cool...so i guess thats what i'll get thats for the help eoin

Steoob

oo i have another q....

ok so the mixer has 2 outputs yes? what if i want to get 2 uprights in the future? then i'll have 3 speakers and only 2 outputs on my mixer... is there a way around this?

Eoin Madsen

In that scenario you'd run the monitor out of one of the auxilliary outputs. Mains are usually for front-of-house, auxilliaries for monitors. Even small mixers usually have a couple of auxes.