Dumb luck or just dump play

Gholimoli

Ok , I really cant get over this since last night and its been eating me up especially since my BR could have really done with the money.
It’s the $200 freez out, about 37 players and we are down to 5 ppl.
Im the chip lead with 37K and next person after me has about 13K.
The other two stacks are around the 9 or 10K.
First prise 3K,
Second 1.7K
3rd 1K
5th $680.
I go out in 5th place with 3 consecutive hands as below and I didn’t know weather I should cry at my bad luck or just give up poker for good cuz if I cant take a tourney down in these circumstances then im better off just leaving it.
Here are the hands:
First hand:
Blinds 1200/2400
I open raise from UTG+1 with JJ to 5K
SB goes all in making it 10K ,I call
He shows A9s
Flop: KK9
Turn :Q
River:Q
So I loose to his two pair KK and QQ with A kicker.

Hand 2:
My stack 27K
Blinds 1200/2400
I open raise and make it 5K with QTs
All fold to BB who goes all in and makes it 10K
I think of folding but then thought the odds were just too tempting so I called.
BB shows A7
Flop: AA8
And I loose the hand

Hand 3:
UTG+1(the same person who the previouse hand from he who is a very aggro player and will often fold to reraises) open raises to 5K .
I go all in for with my 17K with AKs.
He calls and shows AA.
They hold up and boom im out in 5th.
All comments and criticism welcome

willis

Nothing i would do differently. Ul with JJ, Q10...wel u could have folded as bb is probably jus waiting to go allin with less than 5bbs but your raise pot commits you, AK,cant lay it down here imo!!sometimes it happens,othe times your JJ holds up,your Q10 wins,and you have enough chips to get away from AK.Thats poker,simple as that

ianmc38

Hands 1 and 3 are fine.

Hand 2 i don't see the need to raise here with QTs

Culchie

I don't like your min raises to be honest. They were not good enough hands to 'look' for action, and it gave your opponents all the odds they needed to call, even with muck.

Unlucky with the AK hand.

Gholimoli

ok ,
Hand 1
The min raise was on purpose so that i would get that specific person to go all in, because he did it so many times in the past 30 min that i knew i would jus get him.
Cultchi mentioned that none of the hands were that great that i would like to get action on ,well that is exactly the problem ive been having.
when cEV contradicts $EV ,should i just take easy relax and wait for others to knock each other out?
Keeping in mind that the difference between first and second is 1300.
i was thinking with that kind of chip lead ,JJ is pretty good hand to take any of the remaining stacks on when the most i could loose was 10K.am i wrong in this ?
the second hand i personally think is what really crippled me, but the 2:1 odds on QT and a reraise coming from a very aggro player who would have made that move with a wide range of hands was some what ok i think? Suggestions?

Basically my question is not how to play these hands, but was i conceptually wrong in trying to bust ppl with my chip lead when i could have just folded and got to second place at least?

CoD

Hands 1 and 3 you were unlucky.
I dont like playing hand 2 at all even this short.

Whats with the 5k raising. Do you mean you raised 5k more, to 7.4k. Or just made it 5k, coz thats a min raise, and your sorta saying, my had pretty weak, so anyones gonna have a go with any ace.

With no one near me i'd be pushing to put pressure with hands 1 and 3.

Probably folding hand 2.

Blinds are big compared to their stacks and they may be pushing with any ace, on the other hand if you look strong, they might wait hoping someone jumps ship before them.

Ste05

Hand 1: Fine, I want to get one of the short stacks All-in with this hand, so however I go about doing this, that's what I do. i.e. Fine min raise.

Hand 2: It's not a great hand really, if you want to play with it, I much prefer just going All-In, the blinds are plenty enough to pick up and keeps the pressure on the small stacks, they then need to call for all their chips, the result would probably have been the same. But this 5k raise I just don't like. Noone is going to believe you for 2 big hands in a row. And you can't fold to any re-raise, so push or fold.

Hand 3: Unlucky, no matter what the chip stacks are unless you have a Rounders "Oreo" type tell, I can't see you getting away from this.....

RoundTower

Not very much interesting strategy content, more a moan post as far as I can tell. The only interesting hand is hand 2. I think the raise to 5k is fine here if you've done this a lot, particularly after you did this and showed down JJ, and if the players on your table often fold to these small raises.

But you said that this kind of raise was almost certain to be met with an all in. In that case it is a terrible play, I don't know what you were thinking, and it is clearly all in or fold.

Sparky1808

Seen Hand 1 gholi.

Sick mate! ...The guy who hit the two pair (K's & Q's with an ace kicker) previously got involved with all his chips with 7 4s v A Jo in a 20k pot, he managed to hit runner runner 4s, he had quite a lucky period.

...including that A 9 as well.

very unlucky in general

Gholimoli

RoundTower wrote:

Not very much interesting strategy content, more a moan post as far as I can tell. The only interesting hand is hand 2. I think the raise to 5k is fine here if you've done this a lot, particularly after you did this and showed down JJ, and if the players on your table often fold to these small raises.

But you said that this kind of raise was almost certain to be met with an all in. In that case it is a terrible play, I don't know what you were thinking, and it is clearly all in or fold.

This is not a moan post. When you have more than 3:1 chip lead with 5 ppl left and you go out at 5 i think you need to be asking questions.
its true that you can get very unlucky and get a few bad beats and go out ,but its also true that you can blame bad play on bad luck.
for example i know in the 3 hands mentioned ,i played the second hand terribly and infact had i not played that hand at all i would still have around 17K chips left when my AKs ran into AA.
But the reason why i posted the hands was not to moan but to find out if there is problems in my way of thinking and my logic.
as i mentioned i could have folded my way to at least 2nd place so when situations like this occur, should ones strategy be to maximize $$$ which involves taking some risks to win it (for example putting people all in with JJ) or avoid big confrontations like that and let the short stack fight it out.
i know that my JJ getting out drawn like that does not happen that often ,or my AK running into AA for that matter, but should those chances however small ,be taken when you have others on the table that more than likely will bust before you do and that moves you up in the money?