PPP Tournament Leaderboard Boardsies

karlh

There's a PPP tourney leaderboard (which includes STTs) launching on the 1st of Jan but from this month's standings it's looking good for the boardsies!

Fatboydim (Lenco) in 7th and ocallagh in 8th!

Would be outside the money as the promo is laid out but well done and best of luck in January lads.

http://www.paddypowerpoker.com/tournaments/leaderboard.php



btw - i'm posting this for the info of those involved and on ppp. i'm taking a 'bad beat, lol, ROFL, look at me' thread approach to this and in future PPP threads will be named as such so anyone who they might offend can tell from the thread title. as before any opinion given is posts is mine and not that of the company i work for. ill post the odd bit of info, answer questions as best i can when i'm asked and that's it....just to avoid any mortal offence

Bp!

i know i dont post here much but.... he he!!

blahblah06

wow n ice idea PPP very good indeed

Fatboydim

Just a suggestion karl.

But how about something to play for for those who fall outside of the top three. For example there's not much incentive if your fifteenth or lower. So how about an end of month freeroll with top 36 players invited?

Rnger

Fatboydim wrote:

So how about an end of month freeroll with top 36 players invited?

toughest freeroll ever!

Bp!

Sounds like a good idea to me

ocallagh

great idea karlh!

what dates does the leaderboard include? and is it reset every month?

ArmaniJeanss

Possible slight flaw from PPP point of view Karl.
The leader may be discouraged from playing games on PPP near the very end of the month if it risks affecting his lead ???

OffTopic. I'm intrigued that I have a very uncomplimentary player note on John Haugh (12th place) from a $10STT in the first week in December. ("Played 80% of hands as limper first 2 levels, tried to bluff 4 way pots on flop, picked bad moment when short stacked to push") It appears by his profits that he's much, much better than I gave him credit for.

PPP-Pit Boss

ArmaniJeanss wrote:

Possible slight flaw from PPP point of view Karl.
The leader may be discouraged from playing games on PPP near the very end of the month if it risks affecting his lead ???

Without full knowledge of what all other ppp tourney players were doing this would be foolish and futile as the lead can change as other players get points for winning tournaments..

Hmm on the invitational freeroll. I thought about doing this when we came up with the concept but then www.discon.com would come into affect thereby spoiling it for all. This is the start (a good one I hope) it is our intention to continue to develop it so keep the feedback coming as always.

Iago

Can you explain how the points system works. I understand that it's based on winnings-fees, but is it based on the actual money difference or the % difference between fees and winnings?

Are there points awarded on the % of the field in the competition that you beat or for example in an STT do you get significantly more points for 1st than 3rd?

karlh

Iago wrote:

Can you explain how the points system works. I understand that it's based on winnings-fees, but is it based on the actual money difference or the % difference between fees and winnings?

Are there points awarded on the % of the field in the competition that you beat or for example in an STT do you get significantly more points for 1st than 3rd?

the points system is based in pure cold cash $$$!

all entry fees taken away from total winnings and converted into points to disguise the cash total.

open to suggestions for a more complex and perhaps appropriate version.

Iago

well I'm just thinking that I mostly play stts but the problem is that I could play in 75 STTs and finish 1st in 50 of them in a month and still not make the leaderboard because 3-5 people have managed to get lucky in one MTT with a big prizepool...my problem rather than yours I know, I'll see if I can figure out a way to calculate the points that works in my favour and come back to you

what you could do is have two leaderboards, one for STTs and one for MTTs, it will still be skewed towards the big spenders (people playing at the $200 and higher STT level) but it would level the field a little

Amaru

karlh wrote:

the points system is based in pure cold cash $$$!

all entry fees taken away from total winnings and converted into points to disguise the cash total.

open to suggestions for a more complex and perhaps appropriate version.

I say go for the tried and tested method of copying somebody else!

http://www.pokerstars.com/tlb_tournament_rankings.html

karlh

"Points = 10 * [sqrt(n)/sqrt(k)] * [1+log(b+0.25)]"

did i mention i'm hungover!?

a-k-47

why dont u just call it the big bankroll leader board

Dub13

a-k-47 wrote:

why dont u just call it the big bankroll leader board

Good point.In order to reach the top of the leader board I am sure you would need to be making a few grand a month on PPP,I assume this as I know someone who is not in the top 10 and has won around 4/5k in the last few weeks.So with the top prize 500 euro surely its a drop in the ocean to the lucky lad at the top.

In saying that its a very good idea,even if the cash is a drop in the ocean to the eventual winner the fact they can clam to be the form player on PPP makes it interesting.

Iago

or you could have a STT leaderboard based on the number of 1sts, 2nds and 3rds in a given month.

In the case of a tie the player who played the least number of games to reach that total takes first place. That way whether you're playing $5 or $200 you have the same chance of finishing at the top...

ocallagh

i reckon pokerstars spent a lot of time and money coming up with their ranking system... As Amuru said, why not just copy it!

STTs and MTTs should be split up.

edit: spelling mistake

a-k-47

i reckon pokerstars spent a lot of time and mone coming up with their ranking system... As Amuru said, why not just copy it!

STTs and MTTs should be split up.

what the chances of this happening pit boss?.


well done boardsters who made the leader board. $$$$

Daithio

The pokerstars system is pretty flawed actually, it's not profits based but simply winnings based, so it doesn't subtract the fees and therefore isn't very accurate. I think PPP's profit based system is much better.

Bp!

Iago wrote:

well I'm just thinking that I mostly play stts but the problem is that I could play in 75 STTs and finish 1st in 50 of them in a month and still not make the leaderboard because 3-5 people have managed to get lucky in one MTT with a big prizepool...my problem rather than yours I know, I'll see if I can figure out a way to calculate the points that works in my favour and come back to you

what you could do is have two leaderboards, one for STTs and one for MTTs, it will still be skewed towards the big spenders (people playing at the $200 and higher STT level) but it would level the field a little

One MTT win would not get you to top of leader board, there are no BIG payout tournies on PPP (that i can see anyway)

Iago

Bp! wrote:

One MTT win would not get you to top of leader board, there are no BIG payout tournies on PPP (that i can see anyway)

Well take 75 STTs at the $25 level,

75*25 Fee = $1,875
75*2.5 Reg Fee = $187.5
Total Fees = $2,062.5

38 Wins (highly unlikely if we're being honest about it)
38*112.5 = $4,275

Difference = $2,212.5

Daily 12K Guaranteed on PPP
Buyin $28.35 + 3Rebuys =$113.4

1st Place normally around $4K

Difference: $3,885

2nd place normally around $2.5K

Difference: $2,385

Daily 6K Guaranteed On PPP
$220 entry (inc. reg)
1st prize between $2.5K and $3K
Difference: $2.3K- $2.8K

2nd prize between $1.5k and $2K
Difference: $1.3K - $1.8K

My contention is that it would be far harder/show greater skill over a period of a month to win 38 out of 75 STTS than it would be to place in one of these competitons. However because someone has the bankroll (particularily in the case of the $6K which generally has a fairly small field) they could quickly amass a far bigger differential between buyin and reward.

I think the only way to avoid penalising players who are either MTT/STT specialists or who have a limited bankroll is to use the way I mentioned earlier.

1. Different tables for STTs and MTTs

2. Points awarded on the basis of number of times ITM finishes with any ties being determined by the lowest number of games required to amass that total.

3. ITM for STTs to be divided into 50 points for first 35 for second and 15 for third


that's the way I would do it, but then I'm biased because I only really play STTs

Bp!

My guess is the leader on the board had made around $8,000 or $9000 or maybe more