2 pair short handed, fold or call

Amaru

One of the very first hands of a 6 seater, so no reads on the villain.

$10 - NL - 6 Seats 6125889-4 Holdem No Limit 20/40
[Dec 21 02:06:38] : Hand Start.
[Dec 21 02:06:38] : Seat 1 : coolkat719 has $4,340
[Dec 21 02:06:38] : Seat 2 : Amaru has $1,960
[Dec 21 02:06:38] : Seat 3 : ez24q has $1,960
[Dec 21 02:06:38] : Seat 5 : southphilly has $1,900
[Dec 21 02:06:38] : Seat 6 : fergusdog has $1,840
[Dec 21 02:06:38] : fergusdog is the dealer.
[Dec 21 02:06:38] : coolkat719 posted small blind.
[Dec 21 02:06:38] : Amaru posted big blind.
[Dec 21 02:06:38] : Game [4] started with 5 players.
[Dec 21 02:06:38] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Dec 21 02:06:38] : Seat 2 : Amaru has 9h 5h
[Dec 21 02:06:40] : ez24q folded.
[Dec 21 02:06:41] : southphilly folded.
[Dec 21 02:06:45] : fergusdog called 40
[Dec 21 02:06:48] : coolkat719 called 20
[Dec 21 02:06:48] : Stakes: 20/40 Current level: 1 Next level in: 5 min.
[Dec 21 02:06:50] : Amaru checked.
[Dec 21 02:06:51] : Dealing flop.
[Dec 21 02:06:51] : Board cards [6d 9s 5d]
[Dec 21 02:06:55] : coolkat719 checked.
[Dec 21 02:06:58] : Amaru bet 120
[Dec 21 02:07:01] : fergusdog called 120 and raised 1,680 and is All-in
[Dec 21 02:07:08] : coolkat719 folded.
[Dec 21 02:07:08] : Stakes: 20/40 Current level: 1 Next level in: 5 min.
[Dec 21 02:07:23] : It's your turn.
[Dec 21 02:07:23] : Amaru has 10 seconds to respond.
[Dec 21 02:07:28] : Stakes: 20/40 Current level: 1 Next level in: 5 min.
[Dec 21 02:07:29] : Amaru folded.
[Dec 21 02:07:30] : fergusdog wins 360 as the last player standing
[Dec 21 02:07:33] : Hand is over.
[Dec 21 02:07:33] : Stakes: 20/40 Current level: 1 Next level in: 5 min.

It's a very dangerous flop, but i can't figure out what in the world villain would have that he'd (sensibly) play like this? It probably was an easy fold(something else to note is his allin was lightning quick), but i just want to see what other people think because its been bugging me. If you want to vote and not leave an opinion, i'll be happy with that too.

shoutman

i can see you being beat here alright but bearing in mind its a 10 dollar buy in stt I reckon its a call. I reckon that eighty per cent of the time you will be ahead at this stage

I'd call

Waylander

I think I would lay it down, it looks like a made straight trying to stop anyone calling on a flush draw. I would also gather more info on the player in later hands to establish if I felt he was at it, and update my notes for future

padser

I would say its more likely an overpair badly played. A made straight is a possibility though. He could have limped with 78s. Top set and middle set unlikely and but bottom set is a possibilty again trying to protect against flush or straight being drawn to.

On balance id say an overpair is more likely, but this early in a STT id fold and look for better spot.

Had you won 4 in row Amaru and lost this one, wondering what if i had called this one early on??

NickyOD

**** knows what he has but I fold. I've been slapped in the face by a set or the nuts often enough in these situations for folding to be more profitable.

Amaru

padser wrote:

I would say its more likely an overpair badly played. A made straight is a possibility though. He could have limped with 78s. Top set and middle set unlikely and but bottom set is a possibilty again trying to protect against flush or straight being drawn to.

On balance id say an overpair is more likely, but this early in a STT id fold and look for better spot.

Had you won 4 in row Amaru and lost this one, wondering what if i had called this one early on??

See i don't think it was an overpair. He'd have to have 10s and up for that, and most players, even bad ones, will raise pf with them (some will even go all in with them!). With the limp, 5s and 6s are distinct possibilities, but my gut tells me that its the made straight trying to stop the flush.

As far as the 5 in a row, its a 6 seater, so it wouldn't have counted, but the exact reason i did fold was as you stated above, i felt i could wait for a better spot, as the table standard wasn't that high. There's just far too many hands that i'm behind for this to be a justifiable call against what was usually a very passive opponent.

Norwich Fan Rob

Ace high flush draw, no doubts, so many people do that when they flop a 4 flush its scary, or at that level i wouldnt even rule out TPTK.

I would be surprised if he flopped a str8 and played it like that.

Very few would imo, at $10 6 seater, unlikely hes protecting against a poss flush, he would call or min raise with a str8.

He has A9 and has u on a draw, or hes overplaying a nut flush draw hoping u will pass and knowing hes a fair chance if u dont.

Absolutely no way u are behind.

NickyOD

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

Absolutely no way u are behind.

If this were true then winning 5 STTs in a row wouldn't even be an achievement.

I think he is as likely to be pushing with a 78, or a set here as he is of having a flush draw. If that is the range then its correct to fold with no info on your oponent. You can only call here if you've seen evidence of him getting out of line already. Looking at the stacks there's no need to be getting all your chips in preflop yet in this Sit n' Go. You need to be ahead here just uner 50% of the time and I think its borderline.

Norwich Fan Rob

i play a lot of 6 handed stts and some of the play is awful.
Its very easy to give these guys too much credit.
They are betting to protect against draws etc, whereas in reality, a lot of the time they time tptk is golden, or they push with draws etc.
Maybe ive just come accross a lot of fish.
I do however agree that putting it all in in level 1 is not the best of strategys and in truth, im extremely tight in the early levels of these things, to create an image as much as anything else.
I didnt vote on the call or fold, as i think its 50/50 in this case, given that u have no real need to get involved, and theres a chance of an outdraw.
But in relation to the question of whether u are ahead at this moment in time, i really believe u are against most $10 6 seaters players.

Waylander

Not much point in discussing it further as Amaru laid it down and does not know what the other player held anyway.

a-k-47

grow a set man :rolleyes: