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I am an Omaha assclown. (HH)

  • 20-12-2005 10:09pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,124 ✭✭✭


    More Omaha help needed with these 3 hands. I suck. I've been told to play only the nuts but I've played for 6 hours today and seen the nuts exactly 0 times.

    Jdh29 had clearly been getting out of line. I reraised the flop for info because I knew he would get it all in with any set so I felt I was probably good on the turn and had a lot of outs for the nuts. I’m not sure if I should have just slowed down and hoped for a heart or a Jack though. He called a pot bet on the turn with 9 outs and only 2 outs for the nuts. He got his stack up to $880 then lost it all in 3 hands without giving me a cent. :mad:

    ***** Hand History for Game 3233442155 *****
    $200 PL Omaha - Tuesday, December 20, 13:55:49 EDT 2005
    Table Table 66942 (Real Money)
    Seat 8 is the button
    Total number of players : 10
    Seat 1: NickyOD ( $195 )
    Seat 4: Pure_Gamble ( $157.80 )
    Seat 5: Apache55 ( $230.30 )
    Seat 6: jdh29 ( $521.40 )
    Seat 7: buyMEa40oz ( $482.25 )
    Seat 2: snakebitten1 ( $358.60 )
    Seat 8: Tamamumka ( $190 )
    Seat 3: gammmon ( $189 )
    Seat 10: joezac ( $200 )
    Seat 9: dressed ( $198 )
    dressed posts small blind [$1].
    NickyOD posts big blind [$2].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to NickyOD [ Ah Th Jh 6c ]
    snakebitten1 folds.
    gammmon folds.
    Apache55 folds.
    jdh29 calls [$2].
    Tamamumka folds.
    dressed calls [$1].
    NickyOD checks.
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, 9h, 6h ]
    dressed checks.
    NickyOD bets [$5.70].
    jdh29 raises [$11.40].
    dressed folds.
    NickyOD raises [$34.20].
    jdh29 calls [$28.50].
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 2d ]
    NickyOD bets [$82.80].
    jdh29 calls [$82.80].
    ** Dealing River ** [ 7d ]
    NickyOD checks.
    jdh29 bets [$248.40].
    NickyOD folds.
    jdh29 shows [ 5c, 2c, 8d, 7c ] a straight, five to nine.
    jdh29 wins $496.80 from the main pot with a straight, five to nine.

    Is the preflop raise a bad idea here?

    ***** Hand History for Game 3233758996 *****
    $200 PL Omaha - Tuesday, December 20, 15:20:35 EDT 2005
    Table Table 64805 (Real Money)
    Seat 3 is the button
    Total number of players : 10
    Seat 3: Luca_Brazzi ( $580.63 )
    Seat 5: nick318111 ( $180.95 )
    Seat 2: NickyOD ( $272.40 )
    Seat 6: allegu ( $668.12 )
    Seat 4: IGreatOne ( $208.82 )
    Seat 10: harri589 ( $346.65 )
    Seat 9: FIRE66889 ( $210.35 )
    Seat 7: Apache55 ( $200.75 )
    Seat 8: HotGirlPlay ( $198 )
    Seat 1: WhatsUpBoys ( $197 )
    IGreatOne posts small blind [$1].
    nick318111 posts big blind [$2].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to NickyOD [ Ah 2c Kh Kc ]
    allegu calls [$2].
    Apache55 folds.
    HotGirlPlay calls [$2].
    FIRE66889 calls [$2].
    WhatsUpBoys folds.
    >You have options at Table 64811 Table!.
    NickyOD raises [$13].
    Luca_Brazzi calls [$13].
    IGreatOne folds.
    nick318111 folds.
    allegu calls [$11].
    HotGirlPlay folds.
    >You have options at Table 66942 Table!.
    FIRE66889 calls [$11].
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ 2h, 3d, Qd ]
    allegu checks.
    FIRE66889 checks.
    NickyOD checks.
    Luca_Brazzi bets [$25].
    allegu folds.
    FIRE66889 folds.
    NickyOD folds.
    Luca_Brazzi does not show cards.
    Luca_Brazzi wins $79.15

    Is this just another one of those. “Stop trying to get idiots to fold” hands or am I the idiot? I know the river bet is bad but how can he call me on the turn drawing to the second nuts when he could be drawing dead.

    ***** Hand History for Game 3233980777 *****
    $200 PL Omaha - Tuesday, December 20, 16:13:29 EDT 2005
    Table Table 66942 (Real Money)
    Seat 8 is the button
    Total number of players : 10
    Seat 1: NickyOD ( $214.45 )
    Seat 4: IGreatOne ( $146.54 )
    Seat 6: tulle55 ( $73.20 )
    Seat 5: MEXAL ( $501.30 )
    Seat 2: Serg80 ( $137.30 )
    Seat 8: danica ( $525.35 )
    Seat 7: TVHDK ( $217.75 )
    Seat 10: pkrwoodxl ( $200 )
    Seat 3: QQdown ( $125.95 )
    Seat 9: bestlucky ( $200 )
    NickyOD posts small blind [$1].
    Serg80 posts big blind [$2].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to NickyOD [ 9h Qh Td 5d ]
    danica: ty
    QQdown folds.
    IGreatOne folds.
    MEXAL calls [$2].
    tulle55 folds.
    TVHDK calls [$2].
    danica calls [$2].
    NickyOD calls [$1].
    Serg80 checks.
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, Qd, 2s ]
    NickyOD checks.
    Serg80 checks.
    MEXAL bets [$7].
    TVHDK folds.
    danica folds.
    NickyOD calls [$7].
    Serg80 folds.
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
    NickyOD bets [$17].
    MEXAL calls [$17].
    ** Dealing River ** [ Kh ]
    NickyOD bets [$35].
    MEXAL calls [$35].
    NickyOD shows [ 9h, Qh, Td, 5d ] two pairs, kings and queens.
    MEXAL shows [ Ks, 8h, 4s, Jh ] three of a kind, kings.
    MEXAL wins $125 from the main pot with three of a kind, kings.

    I played this one like a complete tool. I know someone already told me underfulls are garbage, but what a ****er of a turn card. With the action I really thought he was paying me off with a straight.

    ***** Hand History for Game 3234193476 *****
    $200 PL Omaha - Tuesday, December 20, 17:00:17 EDT 2005
    Table Table 66942 (Real Money)
    Seat 2 is the button
    Total number of players : 10
    Seat 1: NickyOD ( $220.30 )
    Seat 4: IGreatOne ( $270.94 )
    Seat 5: MEXAL ( $397.30 )
    Seat 8: danica ( $554.35 )
    Seat 7: TVHDK ( $238.65 )
    Seat 10: pkrwoodxl ( $233.02 )
    Seat 2: melindsch ( $81.40 )
    Seat 6: Svenning1 ( $260.10 )
    Seat 3: Boom_Bomm ( $167.05 )
    Seat 9: GFB22 ( $207.50 )
    Boom_Bomm posts small blind [$1].
    IGreatOne posts big blind [$2].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to NickyOD [ 8s Kc Td Ts ]
    MEXAL calls [$2].
    Svenning1 calls [$2].
    TVHDK folds.
    danica calls [$2].
    GFB22 folds.
    pkrwoodxl folds.
    NickyOD calls [$2].
    melindsch folds.
    Boom_Bomm calls [$1].
    IGreatOne checks.
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, Js, Th ]
    Boom_Bomm checks.
    IGreatOne checks.
    MEXAL folds.
    Svenning1 checks.
    danica bets [$11.40].
    NickyOD calls [$11.40].
    Boom_Bomm folds.
    IGreatOne folds.
    Svenning1 folds.
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ As ]
    danica checks.
    NickyOD bets [$25].
    danica calls [$25].
    ** Dealing River ** [ 9s ]
    danica checks.
    NickyOD bets [$40].
    danica calls [$40].
    NickyOD shows [ 8s, Kc, Td, Ts ] a full house, Tens full of aces.
    danica shows [ 7s, 7h, Tc, Ah ] a full house, Aces full of tens.
    danica wins $161.80 from the main pot with a full house, Aces full of tens.
    MEXAL has left the table.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,806 ✭✭✭Lafortezza


    Hand 1) Don't bet your nut flush draws in EP with plenty of people to act behind you, imho. Even thought you have top and bottom pair to go with the heart draw I'd still check/call to see what happens on the turn.
    Even saying that, your bet on the turn is good since the 2 is a blank, you're representing top or middle set or a monster draw, most players will fold to that without a big hand but Villain here is just bad.

    Hand 2) Preflop is fine, double suited Kings is a premium hand even with the useless 2 as your dangler.
    On the flop I prefer to make a continuation bet (as long as you've been doing this with a variety of hands.) Fold to a raise from anyone but an absolute moron. You can't back down after raising preflop since your hand is still possibly best. Imo.

    Hand 3) I check-raise the pot on this flop. You don't want to let anyone see the turn card so charge draws the max. It also allows you to bet more on the turn to scare people out.
    Looking at villains resulting hand I think he was always going to call. If the pot was bigger on the turn you may have pushed him out with a pot bet.

    Hand 4) Fold the flop or represent the nuts (KQ) by raising/potting the flop.

    I was playing at your table this evening for a while. You weren't playing many hands and came across as a nut-peddler. Meanwhile I was getting top set outdrawn by quads for a $600 pot :/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭RoundTower


    Good to see Omaha discussion is blossoming on this board, if only really really late at night. Here are my opinions, where I'll try to disagree as much as possible with what Luke said:

    1) Don't 3-bet the flop. The first bet is fine. Here you had a read on the villain so you played it right, but if you want general advice assume he has top or middle set when he raises you.

    2) Preflop raise is fine, you have a nice hand. Limping is also OK. I prefer to raise as you did.

    3) I don't understand how you played this hand. Representing TJ by calling on the flop and betting on the turn is only likely to confuse your opponents and make them call you. The river bet is fine.

    4) Underfulls aren't garbage, but this river bet is. The real problem with the underfull is that your opponent won't pay you off with a worse hand. Even bad players fold the straight here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,124 ✭✭✭NickyOD


    lafortezza wrote:
    I was playing at your table this evening for a while. You weren't playing many hands and came across as a nut-peddler. Meanwhile I was getting top set outdrawn by quads for a $600 pot :/

    I always have my chat turned off on party and I was card dead I swear it. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,806 ✭✭✭Lafortezza


    NickyOD wrote:
    I always have my chat turned off on party :)
    Don't get me wrong I didn't want to talk to you but you never entered a pot so I couldn't take your money :v:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,124 ✭✭✭NickyOD


    lafortezza wrote:
    Don't get me wrong I didn't want to talk to you but you never entered a pot so I couldn't take your money :v:

    lol


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭Jaden


    Stop Playing Omaha. It's bingo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,806 ✭✭✭Lafortezza


    Jaden wrote:
    Stop Playing Omaha. It's bingo.
    Then I am a winning player at Bingo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 680 ✭✭✭Amaru


    You're probably not good enough to go pro though. Some of those bingo sharks have a lifetime of experience behind them!


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