First (?) DVB-S2 MPEG4 HDTV Receiver

Zaphod

https://www.satplace.de/spnew/frontend/index.php?disp=pdetail&id=840&cat=140&parent=&s=newsess&prxcnt=2&err=url_secure_not_found&PHPSESSID=1488cfb00cb085ec98a23c1bd2410732

Geared towards German Premiere package.

Tony

Pace have a HD box out too

watty

The Germans, particularly the Pay TV also have been delaying real HD launch due to shortage of new chip for this mode. A different flavour of MPEG4 to that used in files etc up to now.

The MPEG2 HD takes up too much space. Almost an entire Transponder.

As to if 5 channels in MPEG4 HD is Really the same quality as one HD in MPEG2 taking up entire transponder is a harder question.

Will football fields look like grass or snooker tables?

watty

I think it will be needed for Pro Sieben too (FTA HD).

Sponge Bob

and a phillips dsr 9005 box too, the humax is not quite available till end december

Mossy Monk

so we will add what, another 200 onto the price for the Sky equivalent?

Sponge Bob

allowing for the fact that the Mpeg4 HD boxes are spanking new and just out I would say that the bare SKY HD box will be €250 if you take a sports sub around the time of the World Cup next year while the SKY+ HD variant will be €399 .

Thems what the Sponge predicts for new customers.

As the World Cup will be the first big event broadcast in HD I expect the faffle to start c.March .

ShaneOC

Sponge Bob wrote:

allowing for the fact that the Mpeg4 HD boxes are spanking new and just out I would say that the bare SKY HD box will be €250 if you take a sports sub around the time of the World Cup next year while the SKY+ HD variant will be €399.

There will not be a bare Sky HD box, Sky have said that the HD box will have Sky+ functionality.

Mossy Monk

Sponge Bob wrote:

SKY HD box will be €250

i would sign up for that but cannot see it being anywhere close to this

ShaneOC

I have heard figures of £400 for the Sky HD box in the UK. :eek:

Mossy Monk

that would be more realistic i would think and they can **** off tbh. cant pay that and then pay for a new tv also :eek:

Round Cable

I like the look of the Dell HD 37", adding that to the HD Digibox and it's quite a bill.

pH

The HD box could easily be 600-700 here.

That's if they go for an Irish launch at the same time as UK, box Sky+ and Gnome were launched in UK long before they were available to Irish subscribers.

watty

37" is even a bit small for HD unless you sit close (A bed sit?). I'd go for projector with zoom lens. 28" or so for news / sit com etc and 48" to 60" for feature films, Nat geo or sport.

Round Cable

I plan on waiting for a 42" model, even 37" is an upgrade from my 'current' TV. Any projector I've seen looks a bit washed out, I think LCD brings out 'better colour' and has a longer lifespan than a Plasma.

Supercell

watty wrote:

37" is even a bit small for HD unless you sit close (A bed sit?). I'd go for projector with zoom lens. 28" or so for news / sit com etc and 48" to 60" for feature films, Nat geo or sport.

Jaysus watty that a pretty outragious claim !!!

I've seen the Dell 37" in action and its a stonkingly big and beautiful display(for the price)!!, put in a bedsit..you must be mad !!
I was in my local garage today and the waiting area had a pretty big plasma display in there (think it was a Grundig..though was more concerned about cars at the time so wasnt paying to much attention bar the relative qaulity of the picture which was striking..admittedly was a bbc sat broadcast so not hdtv) - it was smaller and the quality wasnt a patch on the lcd screen seen before.

watty

I'm saying that with smaller screen you might as well stick with 720 x576 as you can't see the extra detail!

Plasma DO have short life, poor pastels, screen burn and poorer resolution. They are just big.

Good projectors arn't "washed out" Choice of LCD or DLP and the bulb can be replaced. Good screen is important.

Beleive it or not some very expensive LCD screns you can't replace the back light.

On LCD the backlight gradually dims (Like a florescent tube). You want to finbd out before you buy if it is replaceable.

Many "HD ready" screens are only USA 720 line. Europe needs 1080 line screens or else you are losing detail. "p" or "i" is not a big issue here. It is for NTSC originated material from film (720p or 480p needed to aviod 3:2 pull down artifact).

37" HD is fine for small room /bed sit (not really needed for non-HD) but a tad small for HD in a normal living room with 6 to 8 folk.

Round Cable

Some very good advice there watty, about the screen size, I remeber reading that HD is noticable from 28"+ so there should be some difference on anything bigger. I doubt my house could take anything much bigger than 42" anyway.

Uncle Grueber

I agree with Watty. People are being duped into buying LCD & Plasma TVs that are only capable of 720p at best. I haven't seen one 1080 capable TV for sale in Ireland so far.

'p' & 'i' is an issue if you favour spatial resolution over temporal resolution, or vice versa. The first 1080p TVs are few and far between in the US, and aren't without their problems.

Another thing is that the upcoming PlayStation 3 will be capable of outputing to 2 different screens at 1080p each. Yikes! :eek:

I'd wait for the 1080 capable screens to become available over here and come down in price.