Is this guy really any good

meditraitor

Just browsing through a site(joke videos and stuff) came across this video, holy jebus he looks quick, but I wouldnt really know
What do you guys (in the know and all) think?

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/157/Martial_Artist_Quick_as_Hell.html

Cake Fiend

:eek: I don't know much about kung fu, but I'd say he'd be able to whip you about if he wanted to.

john kavanagh

yes very impressive....rehearsed patterns against a stationary opponent:rolleyes: i'd like to see him move about with a good boxer/thai/mma guy and then you could pass comment on whether or not he's any good (he very well might be, but impossible to tell from that clip!)

memphis

Pretty impressive stuff to me, that is!!!

Outta curiousity, what style of MA would that be??

pma-ire

great hand speed and control with small movements creating power!!

but this movie don't show his ability in a scrap!

though it would be a waste if he could'int apply it!!

judomick

the other guy was standing still! he looks like a raving tourettes patient on e

also he was only moving his arms which indicates there wasnt much power in his shots although they were quick he was just snapping back his hands

the question is though.................






............is this fighting:D

dlofnep

If the question was "is he really fast?" I'd agree. Although to know if he's good, I'd need to see him sparring.

Tim_Murphy

Don't know what they guys above are on about, he's clearly sh%t hot!

damo

looks fake to me....i think the average brawler would kick his ass

Michael O Leary

Having studied Wing Tsun for the last 12 years as well as teaching it for the last few I know what to look for. A lot of the movements look good and pretty fast but if the opponent is just standing there and doing nothing it doesnt mean a thing.

I have had people come into classes where I train over the past few years and because I was not the teacher they would have no reason to hold back. They try all the fancy stuff but if you refuse to get distracted by it and concentrate on just hitting them it will work out fine.

While it is difficult to show this type of art to other practitioners in a realistic way the opponent should at least pretend that he is putting up a fight.

I am afraid that I will have to go with the skeptics on this one.

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

kenpo_dave

Anyone who tries to judge this guys ability from this ONE clip is a complete idiot. It is not necessarily reflective of the guys training methods. We have absolutely no idea of what hes actually doing. He could be simply demonstrating some strikes to beginners, as opposed to practical applications. For all we know, he could have very well moved to sparring a few minutes after the clip.

User_13

Yeah I'd say that guy can whoop anyone he wanted too.

Tim_Murphy

While it is difficult to show this type of art to other practitioners in a realistic way ...

Why?

Cabelo

I assume because they use a lot of handwork/subtlety? I could be wrong but that'd be damned hard to explain.

I used to have that same probelm with capoeira... now I am a dancer; much easier

Michael O Leary

Tim_Murphy wrote:

Why?

Good question Tim.

Compared to WingTsun and other similar styles, arts which use what we would call long range punching and kicking demonstrate power in more of a obvious way. It is an extention of the way we have been punching and kicking since we were children. I am not saying that it is not a good way to fight, it is just more easy for an onlooker to relate to due to their previous experience.

As Cabelo stated, the way Wing Tsun and other similar arts strike is more subtle and harder to demonstrate on video. If you see someone striking this way it looks weak and as if there is no power but that is because as we have no experience of doing it this way. It is not the movement that is important but the pressure behind the movement and the only way to demonstrate this is to show what happens to the opponent when hit this way. In a real fight we would hit someone continuously with low/mid level kicks, short range punches, elbow, knees etc, and to do this in a demonstration where people would say, "ooh, that would hurt" can be quite painful for the receipient which onlookers cannot appreciate. They will look at the opponent and say, "he is just faking". And then if the person doing the demonstration holds back so as not to hurt their opponent it looks as if they are dancing.

There is a latin expression used in Economics that I cannot recall just now that in English means, "all things being equal". If the person doing the demonstration is holding back then the opponent equally cannot give it 100%. However I see to many people acting as a mere dummy and not putting up any resistance at all and therefore by comparison the demonstrator looks really good.

In conclusion, while the guy in the video may be good his presentation of his art (in this clip) does not due it any justice and leaves him open to what I feel is valid criticism. I hope this answers your question, any others just give me a shout.

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

Michael O Leary

meditraitor wrote:

Just browsing through a site(joke videos and stuff) came across this video, holy jebus he looks quick, but I wouldnt really know
What do you guys (in the know and all) think?

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/157/Martial_Artist_Quick_as_Hell.html

Hi Roper,

This is the JKD guy.

Regards,

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

blobert

Looks fake to me, the whole video seems to speed up when he throws a punch etc.

Plus, he doesn't look tough at all:)

Miles Long

I get the feeling that the strikes in that clip would sooner "shatter" a bone than move the person that recieved the contact. There's a few shots, mostly at the end of his combinations or on thier own (at the end of the first one, ouch), that use hip/shoulder twists but the majority of them are obverse multipul striking combo's. I don't think he's demonstrating power really he points out areas to strike quickly, it's very self defence orientated with the chair and the crouch in the corner.

Michael O Leary wrote:

There is a latin expression used in Economics that I cannot recall just now that in English means, "all things being equal"

Ceteris Paribus?

Michael O Leary

Miles Long wrote:

Ceteris Paribus?

Good Man!

Regards,

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

Baggio...

Very fast to be fair...Not too much power though.

Still, pretty impressive all the same.

Roper

Thanks for digging it out Michael!

Put him in the ring/street/bar with Floyd Mayweather I say!

damo

Floyd by KO rd 1.

Michael O Leary

Roper wrote:

Thanks for digging it out Michael!

Put him in the ring/street/bar with Floyd Mayweather I say!

No worries.

It was one of my first posts when I was new to this forum.

Regards,

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

Colm_OReilly

There is a latin expression used in Economics that I cannot recall just now that in English means, "all things being equal".

Ceteris paribus
As an interesting note, Latin is always italicised to show that a)it's Latin, b)it's a dead language being used.

The more you know...

Colm

Michael O Leary

Colm_OReilly wrote:

Ceteris paribus
As an interesting note, Latin is always italicised to show that a)it's Latin, b)it's a dead language being used.

The more you know...

Colm

Hi Colm,

Thats great, thanks.:)

Regards,

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

Millionaire

that is the scottish JKD guy....i remember his face from the other posted link months back....

amazing speed.

There is no way...i think...that you could pull this off in a sparring match..say punching range...as in boxer etc coming in hard on you.

when I practice good boxing combos on the heavy bag...and their flowing great, power is there and speed focus etc...and I go in to spar...even lightish sparring....there is never a time that you can pull a bag left, right ,hook in drill style when you got a moving , fast and aggressive opponent.

Sparring smaller and lighter and faster younger fitter guys over here..on hands only..they move out of range that fast..its very difficult to land heavy artillery on them.... jab is fine...I am a big fan of the jab ... Still its good training for me!

Wes98

Wow, his speed is impressive,
But JKD is more about actual combat right?So put him in the ring with anyone and he`s bound to get disqualified anyway.
I wouldn`t mind having that speed myself.Even if theres no power in the punches (which I doubt) you could always take out the eyes.:eek:

Millionaire

JKD....is pretty much a kickboxing orientated system, with wing chun , and yes...eye jabs...wing chun i think call this Bil Jee????

JKD back in 60s...was one of the first systems to do full contact full on sparring. so make no mistake...most JKD guys can mix it up.

JKD sort of split into different factions after Bruce pass on. 1 faction stuck to Bruces original teachings...if www.hardcorejkd.com is a great example and the other main one is JKD concepts...which is sort of, take the best elements that you like from many systems..and use them. so Philipino martial arts, Muay Thai, wrestling...most recently BJJ..and a load of other stuff got mixed in. or www.fighting.net Paul Vunak went for a very street orientated JKD approach...which is what Bruce trained for anyway..the street!

I think in some jKD there is alot of drill work which is fun and good for training, but drills all sort of go out the window under live fire.

me I think for strikes...just train Muay Thai...and since MT who have gloves on..reserve some time for open handed shots like eye jabs, claws, throat strikes too...and the lethal stuff on top of a good foundation like Muay Thai..you will be fairly able on the street if you train consistent.

kenpo_dave

I cant remember what style of Kung Fu this guy does, I know its not Wing Chun. Anyway, what are peoples opinions of using a board like this for speed and accuracy training?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKZwF07DgeA

Regards,

Dave.

Roper

kenpo_dave wrote:

I cant remember what style of Kung Fu this guy does, I know its not Wing Chun. Anyway, what are peoples opinions of using a board like this for speed and accuracy training?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKZwF07DgeA

Regards,

Dave.

I'd say he's his area's knick-knack champion.:rolleyes:

Dragan

Roper wrote:

I'd say he's his area's knick-knack champion.:rolleyes:

Tbh, i'm not seeing the advantage to training this way...it doesn't really require anything except blind speed so to say....no real hand eye involved or anything. I have no doubt the guy can fire off some fast punches but i'm just failing to see the application???

Maybe someone with experience can enlighten me folks???

Michael O Leary

kenpo_dave wrote:

I cant remember what style of Kung Fu this guy does, I know its not Wing Chun. Anyway, what are peoples opinions of using a board like this for speed and accuracy training?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKZwF07DgeA

Regards,

Dave.

Hi Dave,

It looks like Wing Chun to me, bad Wing Chun but still Wing Chun.

Regards,

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

kenpo_dave

Michael O Leary wrote:

Hi Dave,

It looks like Wing Chun to me, bad Wing Chun but still Wing Chun.

Regards,

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

I remember someone put the clip on Yahoo ages ago and Im fairly sure it isnt WC. But the guy and what ever style he does aside, would the board be useful in training for speed drills? Obviously it can only be a small part of over-all training.

Regards,

Dave.

Roper

Good for doing knick knacks Dave. Speed is nothing without power.

Baggio...

Roper,

I'd agree with...But remember were only seeing a 30 sec clip, and as K. Dave said it's hard to judge someone properly on such a short time. He might well do boxing on top of it, or something else for that matter. Personally I'd like to see some more of this guys stuff.

Just my take,

B.

Wes98

You guys know how one actually aquires that kind of Hand speed? Is it just 24-7 training , or is there specfic trianing exersises to gain that kind of speed?