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SE 50 euro Double chance last night..my first money finish

  • 16-12-2005 10:50am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭


    Played the tournie last night. my fourth outing to a live event.

    and after finishing right on the bubble in a tourney last week I managed a respectible third last night....delighted about it but also dissappointed...felt i could have won it but I think my heads up play has a lot to be desired.

    One interesting hand in the early stages of the tournie. I was dealt KK in late position. a player A in early position pushes all in for about 1000.
    player B to my right calls (and has only 275 left). I call.
    Flop comes up KQx. Player B checks. I bet 275. ...he Calls. so three way showdown.
    Player A has AA
    Player B has QQ.
    And my set of Ks hold up.

    Made the final table as one of the shortstacks with about 8,000 and played like a rock for the first twenty minutes...and this hand came up.

    A9o in late position. 4 callers into the pot. I tihnk the blinds were 800/1.5K...so im thinking heres value if there ever was. so i smooth call.

    flop comes up a lucky Ah9hx. checked around to me. I push. everyone folds and back in the game.

    I climb back into my hole for another orbit or so and I get dealt 99 in late position. two all ins before me and the push is automatic.

    i think i was up against AJ and AQ. with a jack on the flop but a 9 on the turn bails me out and im in great position for the tournie.

    a bit later on I min raise with K4 and a loose player goes all in for 11K more. I honestly felt he was chancing his arm as he did a few times and if i lose then im still in good position. so i call. he turns over A9s flop comes 44K turn K river. doesnt really matter. full house take your pick which one. I honestly felt bad, online it would almost be a fold for me but lack of experience on my part made me call i think plus the bloody heat.



    Hand I went out on. 3 players left
    Blinds are 2,000, 4,000.
    Button folds.
    I have about 40K left. Made the decision early to raise to 10Kwith K4s
    flop comes up QxQ. We check down to the river which is a K.
    I check. He goes All In. im now thinking that he is up to a steal. so i call.
    he turns over a Q. wp gg.
    thinking back to it now. how many of you would have called? Im guessing most of ye would have read the slopw played Q but I guess Ill only get better with experience :)

    all in all it was a great tournie with very little muppetry going on.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,047 ✭✭✭Culchie


    Well done Washout ....first ITM is great feeling.

    I was debating whether to go in or not, and ended up going to Drogheda, as it starts a little later, as I got delayed in the evening. (Won some petrol money anyway:) )



    Well done again, might see you there next week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭Washout


    Culchie wrote:
    Well done Washout ....first ITM is great feeling.

    I was debating whether to go in or not, and ended up going to Drogheda, as it starts a little later, as I got delayed in the evening. (Won some petrol money anyway:) )



    Well done again, might see you there next week.


    thanx dude...the feeling is so much better having notes physically been put into your hand rather than seeing it on a monitor.

    any comments on my plays?

    btw i won 300 but i didnt tip the dealers...should i have? dont want to come off as an a-hole.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,600 ✭✭✭roryc


    gg. how much did you win


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭ianmc38


    I may have called if i knew what you were holding. With 2 random cards as they now appear, i can't make a decision.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭Lex


    Washout wrote:
    Hand I went out on. 3 players left
    Blinds are 2,000, 4,000.
    Button folds.
    I have about 40K left. Made the decision early to raise to 10K
    flop comes up QxQ. We check down to the river which is a K.
    I check. He goes All In. im now thinking that he is up to a steal. so i call.
    he turns over a Q. wp gg.
    thinking back to it now. how many of you would have called? Im guessing most of ye would have read the slopw played Q but I guess Ill only get better with experience :)

    What were you holding?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Norwich Fan Rob


    what did u have in the last hand?

    Well done on the 3rd place.

    I dont think u need to tip for coming 3rd in that sort of tourney.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭Washout


    Lex wrote:
    What were you holding?


    oops sorry edited original post K4s


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭ollyk1


    Well done Washout. Always nice to win a few quid live.

    I don't wish to take away from your 3rd place and the good feelings that go with it but if you are looking for some constructive critcism as you seem to be here are my comments.

    The KK v AA played itself and you got lucky, fair enough but acknowledge it now rather than conveniently forgetting it and then moaning months down the line when similar stuff happens to you. (Not that I have any evidence that you have ever moaned but its always good to be humble about these things)
    A9o in late position. 4 callers into the pot. I tihnk the blinds were 800/1.5K...so im thinking heres value if there ever was. so i smooth call.

    I really don't like this Ace rag smooth call for 19% of your stack where you could very well be dominated by AJ or AT and the like. Then the flop came nice for you and you got no action. You shouldn't be happy about this. You were probably relieved to be back in the game but you didn't maximise here so you need to think about this hand.

    Maybe a half pot bet would have been better given you've been folding all hands at the final table to date? Or maybe a min bet if there was no flush draw. The all-in gave none of the other players a chance to make a bad call on you - you let them off the hook by handing them the thought "well he hasn't played a hand yet and now he's going all-in on an obvious ace and so my Ax is no good"

    Min raise with K4???? WTF? All raises should be meaningful especially at the final table. As it turns out you had two live cards to call his all-in so the call was okay but you've ended up in a position where you are risking becoming a very shortstack again with K4 v A9 are you happy about that?

    At least if you were raising properly and you were very priced in to call it would be an okay hand but it doesn't reflect very well on you the way you've outlined it. Don't feel bad about the result you had a 40% chance and thats why you called but ask yourself should you have been minraising a shortstack and giving him folding equity because your hand is so bad? If you had bet enough that he was effectively all-in if he called at least it would have meant that he was only playing A9 and didn't have the added possibility of you folding and this may have tipped him to folding which is what you wanted with this hand.

    on the last hand we'd need to know your cards as othere have said.

    I don't know if this has come across as harsh Washout it's not meant to be. I'm not going to pepper the thing with smilies to make you feel better but I am happy for you that you won a few quid but I know you're a guy looking to improve his live game so I thought I'd throw in my less than 2 cents worth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭Lex


    Washout wrote:
    oops sorry edited original post K4s

    King,rag merchant for the 2nd time?!?! :D:D
    Seriously tho, if you reckon your K is good then would you not bet the river?
    Even at that, if he goes over the top its a tricky call for all your chips with a bad kicker. I have to have seen the guy previously bluff at orphan pots that were checked to the river to put him on nothing to call here.

    Nice cash tho. Live wins are sweet alright.

    Edit:haha!! just read above - I peppered!


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,250 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dub13


    Yea first ITM is great feeling,congrats....now set your target for your first win.Keep setting targets as it will help your game.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭bohsman


    Thanks for saving me from writing all that Olly, exactly what I was going to say, just to add that Im not sure that the push with 99 is automatic with two allins in front of you, fair enough one of them might be AJ for a 50 50 but the second one should be stronger. COngrats on the win.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭Washout


    all critisisms and comments are always welcome olly...critisise away thats why im here and alot of others are too...to help our games (mine appears to be apprently bad :) ).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,047 ✭✭✭Culchie


    bohsman wrote:
    Thanks for saving me from writing all that Olly, exactly what I was going to say, just to add that Im not sure that the push with 99 is automatic with two allins in front of you, fair enough one of them might be AJ for a 50 50 but the second one should be stronger. COngrats on the win.

    Washout, I think if you copy and paste Bohsmans and Olly's posts ... it provides spot on analysis.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭ollyk1


    Cheers Bohsman. I know others would be thinking the same and I just wanted to give Washout my views since I think hes serious about improving his game.

    I forgot about the 99 it wasn't a push it was a call of two all-ins I wasn't mad about it myself but if he thinks they both have Aces then maybe its okay. I sometimes lay it down but it would depend on a lot of other table factors so its tough to comment on that hand properly.

    I lay down the K4sooted the second time btw.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭BigDragon


    Well done on the cash mate. I would advice you read Ollyk1 and bohsmans posts as there are words of wisdom there.


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