did i make right move?

a-k-47

Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
MTT Table 10 5950874-17 Holdem No Limit 200/400
[Dec 10 19:10:43] : Hand Start.
[Dec 10 19:10:43] : Seat 1 : 8crazy8 has $2,060
[Dec 10 19:10:43] : Seat 2 : AmmoCat has $6,330
[Dec 10 19:10:43] : Seat 3 : saltednuts has $2,000
[Dec 10 19:10:43] : Seat 4 : big-mama has $4,450
[Dec 10 19:10:43] : Seat 5 : dw23 has $5,710
[Dec 10 19:10:43] : Seat 6 : md5155 has $8,760
[Dec 10 19:10:43] : Seat 7 : shiubmi has $3,840
[Dec 10 19:10:43] : Seat 9 : a-k-47 has $2,850
[Dec 10 19:10:43] : 'Dead button' is at seat 7
[Dec 10 19:10:43] : a-k-47 posted small blind.
[Dec 10 19:10:43] : 8crazy8 posted big blind.
[Dec 10 19:10:43] : Game [17] started with 8 players.
[Dec 10 19:10:43] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Dec 10 19:10:43] : Seat 9 : a-k-47 has Ac 4s
[Dec 10 19:10:47] : AmmoCat folded.
[Dec 10 19:10:48] : saltednuts folded.
[Dec 10 19:10:52] : big-mama folded.
[Dec 10 19:10:52] : dw23 called 400
[Dec 10 19:10:53] : md5155 folded.
[Dec 10 19:11:00] : Stakes: 200/400 Current level: 6 Level up in: 3 min. Break in: 40 min. Players : 123
[Dec 10 19:11:01] : shiubmi folded.
[Dec 10 19:11:03] : a-k-47 called 200
[Dec 10 19:11:04] : 8crazy8 checked.
[Dec 10 19:11:04] : Dealing flop.
[Dec 10 19:11:04] : Board cards [4d 7c 7h]
[Dec 10 19:11:09] : a-k-47 bet 2,450 and is All-in
[Dec 10 19:11:13] : 8crazy8 folded.
[Dec 10 19:11:14] : Stakes: 200/400 Current level: 6 Level up in: 2 min. Break in: 40 min. Players : 123
[Dec 10 19:11:16] : dw23 called 2,450
[Dec 10 19:11:16] : Showdown!
[Dec 10 19:11:16] : Seat 9 : a-k-47 has Ac 4s
[Dec 10 19:11:19] : Seat 5 : dw23 has 8d As
[Dec 10 19:11:19] : Seat 9 : a-k-47 has Ac 4s
[Dec 10 19:11:24] : Board cards [4d 7c 7h 8s Kh]
[Dec 10 19:11:24] : Seat 9 : a-k-47 has Ac 4s
[Dec 10 19:11:24] : a-k-47 has Two Pair: 7s and 4s
[Dec 10 19:11:24] : Seat 5 : dw23 has 8d As
[Dec 10 19:11:24] : dw23 has Two Pair: 8s and 7s
[Dec 10 19:11:24] : dw23 wins 6,100 with Two Pair: 8s and 7s
[Dec 10 19:11:33] : Stakes: 200/400 Current level: 6 Level up in: 2 min. Break in: 40 min. Players : 123
[Dec 10 19:11:33] : Hand is over.
[Dec 10 19:11:33] : Querying players for re-buy requests.
[Dec 10 19:11:36] : Waiting for re-buys to complete.
[Dec 10 19:11:37] : Continuing with the game

yes im taking a gamble and hope no one has the 7 but im trying to take the pot right here.i just cannot believe he called and hit!.. is it ppp getting me out to rebuy? ask my bolx!. sometimes feel like it just a fookin fix!

BigDragon

Numpty call. Nothin you can do. What was the $ rebuy? If it was cheap Im surprised he wasnt all-in preflop and if it was dear he was a numpty. All-in-all you want these twats calling you in a rebuy.

Nice move btw.

a-k-47

$27 rebuy in the 5k.. his chat must have been off to :mad: ... there was not much point in rebuying after that hand with blinds at 400

De Deraco

ITs a very bad move IMO 99% of the time only a 7 or higher pocket pair will call you. that guy was clearly retarded to call.

Amaru

Yeah i agree, even though his call was horrible, i'm not sure the push was the right move. Anybody holding 7 wouldn't push here, meaning you're pretty much announcing you hold the 4 here, so any 7 or higher(or even sometimes lower) PP are the only hands that are calling you here.

BigDragon

In a rebuy game with the rebuys about to end in the SB its a good move if you are prepared to rebuy twice to give you 4k and be on the button. There are two sevens left and the SB could easily have a 7. The allin puts pressure on others to gamble with their stacks, again with the rebuys about to end. Like you said the only caller here is a 7 or big pair. The lack of a preflop raise reduces the chance of a big PP I think.

Rebuy strategy has to be agreesive and in this case AK47 wasnt sitting on a huge stack so I think taking all this into account its a good play - bankroll permitting.

DapperGent

Amaru wrote:

Yeah i agree, even though his call was horrible, i'm not sure the push was the right move. Anybody holding 7 wouldn't push here, meaning you're pretty much announcing you hold the 4 here, so any 7 or higher(or even sometimes lower) PP are the only hands that are calling you here.

But how else does he play it? He only has 2400 and the pot is 800, if he bets pot and gets called the turn is highly likely to put a card higher than 4 out, how does he play it then with 1600 in his stack and more than that in the middle? Checking is terrible as well, how does he play it when a card higher than 4 hits the turn? How likely is there that our villan holds a pair 55 or higher in his hand given he didn't raise when in alone with a shortstacked limp from SB?

He has 7 BB and has hit the odd pair of a paired board. You simply can't fúck around here, you're completely desperate. In fact the only thing I don't like is not pushing preflop.

[edit]Also level up is in 2 mins. He has exactly zero room to play poker.[/edit]

Amaru

That's why i said i'm not sure. This is a situation i often find myself in, and i often can't find an optimal solution to it. On one hand, you're very vurnerable because you're out of position, so there's a wide range of hands can look you up. On the other hand, you have caught a piece of the flop, and you're short stacked, so you can't afford to mess around like you said.

Also, the "if he had a pocket pair, he'd have raised PF" argument is moot i think, because lots of bad players, especially on tribeca, won't raise with these hands until they've seen a flop. They'll always always call here though.

DapperGent

Considerations like this are valuable when you're pseudo (ie tournament) deepstacked. It almost entirely irrelevant if you have 7BB (before posting) and in the next 2 mins you'll have 4.

Amaru

True, but whenever i make this push, and get called by one of the aforementioned hands, i'm always left thinking "what if". It could be one of the things you chalk up to "that's poker", but i'm still not entirely convinced.

a-k-47

yes i agree maybe i should of pushed pre flop, but i knew i would get called as the table was extremely loose, so i limped, caught the pair, and pushed before i let anyone else take it down.

Anybody holding 7 wouldn't push here, meaning you're pretty much announcing you hold the 4 here

It could also be possible that you want them to think that but also hold the 7, but more commonly you would check raise, but dont think its a bad thing that he had me on a pair of 4's as i dont think he had PP otherwise he would have pushed pre-flop. In saying that, lets say dw23 did have me on pair 4's but cannot be completey sure, ok, he has two over cards , but its still a dumb call, mayb he thought i was bluffing and got lucky who knows.

Amaru

It could also be possible that you want them to think that but also hold the 7

You're giving your opponents too much credit here, especially ones who'll call off a big portion of their stack with not even a draw. They don't think this way. It still also wouldn't stop somebody with a 7 calling you, and probably still most PP's too(yes, they are just that bad).