unf'ing real.. skynews.

Hobbes

Watching it now. They have a discussion going on about condoning tourture.

The presenter is clearly stacking the conversation to condoning tourture with slanted emails and keeping trying to press the against tourture guy rather then being neutral.

What is unfuking real is the guy who arguing for condoning tourture says "I know this is a cheap shot but I hope your children die in the next terrorist attack" o_O

rsynnott

Sorry, people are actually CONDONING torture in the UK? What a strange world we live in, these days...

whiskeyman

speaking of Sky "News", they had a segment this morning of GWs 2 pet dogs running around the White House, slipping on the well polished floor chasing a tree decoration ball around..with a clip of him talking to the two of them in the Oval office... then showed the same clip of again of the dogs chasing the bauble to fill up the slot... I didn't have sound on.
This was around 10:06 this morning... then they went to some story about hostage in Iraq or something.

Outcast

Anyone ever watch Broken News? Sometimes it's frighteningly like Sky

Julesie

Yeah i actually caught the end of Broken News last week (on on a sunday i think). You could very clearly pick out the different channels been satired seemed well done.

Sky News is a joke, its sensationalism of the worst kind as it tries to masquerade its conjecture as pure fact. Every time they wheel out their panel of "experts" i just cringe.

Cabaal

Julesie wrote:

Sky News is a joke, its sensationalism of the worst kind as it tries to masquerade its conjecture as pure fact. Every time they wheel out their panel of "experts" i just cringe.

:v: :v: :v: :v: :v: I AM A INTERNET EXPERT :v: :v: :v: :v: :v:

Its a seriously flawed channel, they might as well rename it Fox News UK and be done with it.

angry_fox

What ever happend to the Y2K experts eh?

rsynnott

The Y2K experts fixed a real and existing issue quite well.

Nuttzz

Julesie wrote:

Sky News is a joke, its sensationalism of the worst kind as it tries to masquerade its conjecture as pure fact. Every time they wheel out their panel of "experts" i just cringe.

it is a joke, since when is asking people to email their opinions in and reading them out on air NEWS???

monument

rsynnott wrote:

Sorry, people are actually CONDONING torture in the UK? What a strange world we live in, these days...

try this place...

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=99

radiospan

Julesie wrote:

Sky News is a joke, its sensationalism of the worst kind as it tries to masquerade its conjecture as pure fact. Every time they wheel out their panel of "experts" i just cringe.

I've said this before, but it does seem strangely appropriate that Sky News is now being simulcast on their *entertainment* channels Sky One and Sky Three. :eek:

Hobbes

I actually got a response from Ofcom.

Long and short of the response. Basically the person was brought on to show an alternate argument. However his comment of wishing the other guys children to die in a terrorist attack was "personal opinion" so it was acceptable to say as it was "essentially illustrating his belief that sometimes that there are circumstances when torture is justified to prevent further loss of life".

the_dart

OK. You hate Fox News and now you hate Sky News.

You've been struggling to prove that Fox News is biased, so maybe you'd do better on the news channel that's closer to home. Tell us how and give us examples of how Sky News is biased, Hobbes? And maybe you'd also like to tell us which news channel/service that you watch, that you find fair and balanced and I'll evaluate it for you.

rsynnott

the_dart wrote:

OK. You hate Fox News and now you hate Sky News.

You've been struggling to prove that Fox News is biased, so maybe you'd do better on the news channel that's closer to home. Tell us how and give us examples of how Sky News is biased, Hobbes? And maybe you'd also like to tell us which news channel/service that you watch, that you find fair and balanced and I'll evaluate it for you.

I always thought that the poor old BBC was quite fair and balanced.

Hobbes

I am not sure exactly where you get I am struggling to prove that Fox News is biased. Prehaps you can point out where I was struggling and I will clarify for you.

If you want to know what I watch/read look around the forum I've already responded to it.

the_dart

"I always thought that the poor old BBC was quite fair and balanced."

Yes, back in the 70's

"I am not sure exactly where you get I am struggling to prove that Fox News is biased. "

You are unable to prove it. You can only quote from media matters, a left-wing smear web-site set up with a clear agenda against Fox News.

"If you want to know what I watch/read look around the forum I've already responded to it."

Not to me you haven't, so I'll take that as a sign of defeat. Ah well. I guess you're unable to give any examples of how Sky News is biased. So perhaps it is fair and balanced but you don't like it because of...?

Hobbes

the_dart wrote:

You are unable to prove it. You can only quote from media matters, a left-wing smear web-site set up with a clear agenda against Fox News.

Oh I see you are dismissing it because of the site, not because of the informaton on that site. You did read it right? I'll bet you didn't.

Your the one dodging the question now. Go look at and then please find me sources which prove what is mentioned is wrong.

monument

I watch Fox News often when off work on Mondays, maybe I’m imagining this, but don’t they unashamedly admit to an attitude like “it’s our country and we’ll support our country while at war”?

And I just love one of the female presenters the one who attacks people with apposing views and allows others to just ramble on (and on, and on [and on]).

Anyway, I love Fox, it’s brilliant, like the Daily Show, but 24 hours and not as obvious - personally I love dark satire. I just can’t understand why Sky has it listed in ‘News & docs.’ (added...) I suppose it’s nearby relief when you start to snooze off after watching Sky News or Euronews for about a half hour, for those of us who think CNN and their ilk are too wishy washy.

flogen

the_dart wrote:

"I always thought that the poor old BBC was quite fair and balanced."

Yes, back in the 70's

"I am not sure exactly where you get I am struggling to prove that Fox News is biased. "

You are unable to prove it. You can only quote from media matters, a left-wing smear web-site set up with a clear agenda against Fox News.

"If you want to know what I watch/read look around the forum I've already responded to it."

Not to me you haven't, so I'll take that as a sign of defeat. Ah well. I guess you're unable to give any examples of how Sky News is biased. So perhaps it is fair and balanced but you don't like it because of...?

the_dart, don't you think it would be better to prove your point rather than just repeat it, for your own sake?

How is the BBC no longer unbias? Why is media matters untrustworthy? How is Fox balanced? How is Sky News balanced? I'm not saying anything you've said is untrue; I don't need to thought because you've put no case forward.

rsynnott

the_dart wrote:

"I always thought that the poor old BBC was quite fair and balanced."

Yes, back in the 70's

Hold on, hold on, are you saying that Fox News is more balanced than Auntie?

O brave new world that has such people in it.

Fallschirmjager

welll i dont trust any of them. the bbc has now a very left wing viewpoint and when the ex bbc leader greg dyke admitted the job of the bbc is to oppose the government view..that finalised it for me...just for the record -- it is the job of the bbc to report news and i mean all news -- they are not elected officials...but i digress.

for example, i am sure most people are not aware of the other viewpoints on global warming..every news station talks about cars and global warming...but there is another viewpoint. if they were real news stations, we would be presented with both...in a coherent manner. there is a view that 85% of the carbon is produced by the planet and not mankind and that cars are reponsible for 6% of carbon. there is a view that global warming is a natural cycle and changing cars will have no effect. i dont know if its true or not, but we shoudl be given that view rather then the usual stuff trotted out straight from green party hq...

what i tend to do now is watch a few of them and make my own mind up. I dont need a news channel to tell me what to think.

my own view is that cnn is insipid. the bbc has some peculiar views that are left wing, fox news is right wing.

since people wanted examples,

a classic example was when the first elections were in iraq. most anti war stations (and news papers) were left with a lot of egg on their face as to how after all the bad stories of doom and disaster, 9 million voted. meanwhile fox said it was the end of the terrorists, neither was correct.

what we are seeing now is the death of the media as we know it. this media here (the boards) is rapidly replacing them. if i remember correctly most news outlets in the US are loosing viewers...people just dont trust them for the full story. i honestly believe that is one reason why fox has bucked that trend...they offer a vastly different viewpoint....and people see it as a way of getting an alternate view...

another example was the case of bush's war record and that he was awol. the famous dan rather said his team had investigated the document and they were real...unfortunately -- within 2 hours websites were proving they were false because the font and spacing was not possible on a 1970's typewriter-- only MS word could write that way...they had produced a gif file showing the exact comparisons. so 2 guys at home in 2 hours disproved dan rather. then appeared the story that dan rather hates the bush family...now i dont care if he does or doesnt...he is presenting NEWS, not his vendetta, regardless wheter you agree or disagree, the news channel is not a vent for your mood swings...that is what i think a lot of channels have become...deliver what popular...i always pay particular attention to the sky news polls...it is incredible how they present what people think..isnt it?

another example is 'America is the biggest polluter'. well the bad news is ireland is now bypassing them as a a bigger polluter when you include the levels per person.Why? well it is quite simple...if you look over the last hundreds of years...a growing economy is driven on energy. they are inextricably linked...hence the new polluters are china and india...america pollutes because its economy drives every other economy.....thats not an excuse to just pollute but you dont hear these facts from news channels...why??

we need to keep in mind the power of the media...all dictators used them and that should tell us all something...they are powerful. this is one concern i would have now about the attempt to silence blogs via legal means.

unfortunately, depending now on your viewpoint, people will watch one channel to enforce their own views. That is not a healthy thing IMHO.


anyway thats just my opinion...

flogen

Fallschirmjager wrote:

ex bbc leader greg dyke admitted the job of the bbc is to oppose the government view..

Have you a link to that quote; I never heard it before and it's a pretty bold statement to make; I can understand if he said their job was to question or challenge; but oppose is a strong word.

As for people watching the channels that re-inforce their viewpoint; it's a sad fact of bias media both left and right; why sit and get aggrivated by a guy telling you what you don't want to hear when they'll agree with you with gusto on the other side. The same applies to the internet, and everyone knows that any political viewpoint has a home somewhere online.

rsynnott

Fallschirmjager wrote:

welll i dont trust any of them. the bbc has now a very left wing viewpoint

I've never seen them not put both sides forwards.

Fallschirmjager wrote:

and when the ex bbc leader greg dyke admitted the job of the bbc is to oppose the government view..that finalised it for me...just for the record -- it is the job of the bbc to report news and i mean all news -- they are not elected officials...but i digress.

Reference for Dyke thing, and what news do you have issues with them not reporting.

Fallschirmjager wrote:

for example, i am sure most people are not aware of the other viewpoints on global warming..every news station talks about cars and global warming...but there is another viewpoint. if they were real news stations, we would be presented with both...in a coherent manner. there is a view that 85% of the carbon is produced by the planet and not mankind and that cars are reponsible for 6% of carbon. there is a view that global warming is a natural cycle and changing cars will have no effect. i dont know if its true or not, but we shoudl be given that view rather then the usual stuff trotted out straight from green party hq...

What is your car fixation? Most of humanity's CO2 output is from power plants and industry. Cars are a drop in the ocean.

And while there is a view that global warming happens by magic and is nothing to do with the huge quantities of CO2 that we pump into the atmosphere, it is not one held by reputable scientists, as far as I know. Or indeed by ANY scientists. Or even most saner industry lobby groups. When reporting on someone falling off a bridge, the BBC does not say "it is generally believed that people fall due to gravity, but there is a view that magic pixies drag them to their doom".

Fallschirmjager wrote:

a classic example was when the first elections were in iraq. most anti war stations (and news papers) were left with a lot of egg on their face as to how after all the bad stories of doom and disaster, 9 million voted. meanwhile fox said it was the end of the terrorists, neither was correct.

Bear in mind that those who voted as a rule fitted certain ethnic groupings.

Fallschirmjager wrote:

what we are seeing now is the death of the media as we know it. this media here (the boards) is rapidly replacing them. if i remember correctly most news outlets in the US are loosing viewers...people just dont trust them for the full story. i honestly believe that is one reason why fox has bucked that trend...they offer a vastly different viewpoint....and people see it as a way of getting an alternate view...

They offer surreal nonsense from another universe.

Fallschirmjager wrote:

another example was the case of bush's war record and that he was awol. the famous dan rather said his team had investigated the document and they were real...unfortunately -- within 2 hours websites were proving they were false because the font and spacing was not possible on a 1970's typewriter-- only MS word could write that way...they had produced a gif file showing the exact comparisons. so 2 guys at home in 2 hours disproved dan rather. then appeared the story that dan rather hates the bush family...now i dont care if he does or doesnt...he is presenting NEWS, not his vendetta, regardless wheter you agree or disagree, the news channel is not a vent for your mood swings...that is what i think a lot of channels have become...deliver what popular...i always pay particular attention to the sky news polls...it is incredible how they present what people think..isnt it?

I don't know anything about this Dan Rather thing, so I'll refrain from commenting.

And Sky News polls are not polls of what the people think; they are polls about what the section of the people who pay money to make a little bar on television move think. For the same reason, be cautious of phone poll results. Phone polls are answered by strange people who answer phone polls.

Fallschirmjager wrote:

another example is 'America is the biggest polluter'. well the bad news is ireland is now bypassing them as a a bigger polluter when you include the levels per person.Why? well it is quite simple...if you look over the last hundreds of years...a growing economy is driven on energy. they are inextricably linked...hence the new polluters are china and india...america pollutes because its economy drives every other economy.....thats not an excuse to just pollute but you dont hear these facts from news channels...why??

First, evidence on Ireland being a larger polluter than the US per capita. I wouldn't be HUGELY surprised; we're one of the worst in Europe, in part because of our near-total dependence on fossil fuels for power.

Now, the US pollutes because it has a large economy? Really? Nothing to do with the very high levels of dirty power generation (coal), no? Nothing to do with failure to ratify Kyoto? Nothing to do with lax regulation? It looks, incidentally, as if the US may be doing something about this; there is talk of restarting nuclear construction for the first time since the 70s.

fly_agaric

Hobbes wrote:

Watching it now. They have a discussion going on about condoning tourture.

The presenter is clearly stacking the conversation to condoning tourture with slanted emails and keeping trying to press the against tourture guy rather then being neutral.

What is unfuking real is the guy who arguing for condoning tourture says "I know this is a cheap shot but I hope your children die in the next terrorist attack" o_O

Yeah, maybe this is just me but Sky News seems to have taken a bit of a lurch to the right since the revamp/new studio.
I think Murdoch has said he would prefer if it were more like FOX.

the_dart

"Yeah, maybe this is just me but Sky News seems to have taken a bit of a lurch to the right since the revamp/new studio.
I think Murdoch has said he would prefer if it were more like FOX."

Strange, Sky News didn't show the mohammed cartoon that offended muslims, that was the BBC. There wasn't any protests outside the Sky News Centre.

So perhaps you'd like to give me some information on how Sky News is right-wing?


Also:

"it is a joke, since when is asking people to email their opinions in and reading them out on air NEWS???"

If you actually watch Sky News you would notice that emails "your views" are a very very small part of the programme. It's somehting that is also done by many news channels including CNN. You'll also find that most newspapers have a "letters to the editor" section with people giving their opinions on the news.

fly_agaric

the_dart wrote:

Strange, Sky News didn't show the mohammed cartoon that offended muslims, that was the BBC. There wasn't any protests outside the Sky News Centre.

What's that got to do with Sky's politics? I though the BBC didn't show the cartoons in their full Islam-insulting glory anyway?

the_dart wrote:

So perhaps you'd like to give me some information on how Sky News is right-wing?

For Christ's sake, everyone is so touch these days.:mad: I did say it may be just me. Maybe my politics have changed or I've become more sensitive I don't know. It's a feeling I have had watching it lately and if you are looking for me to supply some objctive proof I don't have any.

the_dart

"What's that got to do with Sky's politics? I though the BBC didn't show the cartoons in their full Islam-insulting glory anyway?"

Then explain why there were people protesting outside the BBC News Centre holding placards saying "Butcher those who mock Islam".

"For Christ's sake, everyone is so touch these days. I did say it may be just me. Maybe my politics have changed or I've become more sensitive I don't know. It's a feeling I have had watching it lately and if you are looking for me to supply some objctive proof I don't have any."

So, what you're saying is you were wrong to make that comment, you're sorry and you retract them. That's fine.

fly_agaric

BBC's stance on the cartoons:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ukfs/hi/newsid_4670000/newsid_4678100/4678186.stm

the_dart wrote:

So, what you're saying is you were wrong to make that comment, you're sorry and you retract them. That's fine.

Oh yes, Sky News is the bestest tv news channel ever and I'm ever so sorry I posted that most unfair comment insulting it. Don't go burning up anything now...

If you work for them you can tell your boss I said that.:rolleyes:

the_dart

"Oh yes, Sky News is the bestest tv news channel ever and I'm ever so sorry I posted that most unfair comment insulting it."

Now, don't you feel much better that you've got that off your chest?