.25/.50, Fold aces here(2 hands)

willis

These 2 hands are very similar and against the exact same player. The 2nd hand is much tougher imo and im looking for analysis on my play on every street here, thanks. 6max table BTW

1st Hand- AA in CO, i make it $2.50($75 stack), Button calls, he has $65. Flop is 10 7 4 rainbow, i bet 4 he calls, the turn is a 2, i bet $8, he makes it $22. Now should i call here or fold or reraise? Hes effectively pot committed.
I call, turn is a 10, i check he goes all-in i call (easy fold??). He shows 77 for a full house, the reason i tell you this is so you can get into my head for the next hand against him. Thoughts on this hand?


2nd Hand - AA on button(ive $100), UTG(rock limps,prob small pockets) another limp, i make it $3.50, villain(button above) is sb and calls, Utg also calls so pot is $10. The flop is 10 8 3 rainbow.

He bets out at the pot $10( he has $140). UTG folods and up to me. I put him on Ace 10, JJ or QQ, i doubt KK. My play now?
(a) Call - Show weakness, let him bet the turn again
(b) Fold - Can i?
(c) Raise - if so how much? Whats my play if he goes allin? and if he flat calls?

I will be looking for advice on my turn play later, cheers

RoundTower

I don't think the first hand is an easy fold anyway. Maybe a good fold against some opponents, but not easy.

In the second hand, if you are up against a good opponent and he has one of the hands you put him on, you don't have to worry about giving a free card as he has only two outs. So you can call here, call on fourth street and value bet the river if he checks. If you are up against a loose bad player and he has one of these hands, he will call you if you go all in. So raise all in and don't worry that this will look like terrible play if he shows you TT: you win enough to compensate for that the times he has JJ, QQ and KK.

hotspur

Well let's assume he has either:
1) flopped a set again like a scumbag
2) has a higher pair than the board
3) has hit top pair
4) doesn't have the above but is trying it on with a raggy flop

Without other info I'm gonna assume he doesn't see a flop that would make him 2 pair.

Folding or calling would be terrible play.

Now just seeing how he played 1 other hand isn't sufficient to predict his future play *but* we saw from the last hand that he likes to keep his customers in on the flop when he hits a set so it may be reasonable to think he doesn't have hand type #1.

So your raise may not be so much about finding out where you are as it is extracting money. It's entirely down to you and your playing style and personality what kind of risk / reward strategy you want to adopt in making your raise here. Giving him a card for free is dumb, if he would fold to a raise then he would only call later when he's outdrawn you. Slow playing to induce bluffs from your opponent is better suited to a better hand than a pair. Personally I'd raise to about $25. An all in by him is then a toughie but I'd call thinking he had JJ QQ or KK. If he just calls then I'd suggest flat calling a turn raise, and jamming if he checks it.

Ste05

willis wrote:

1st Hand- AA in CO, i make it $2.50($75 stack), Button calls, he has $65. Flop is 10 7 4 rainbow, i bet 4 he calls, the turn is a 2, i bet $8, he makes it $22. Now should i call here or fold or reraise? Hes effectively pot committed.
I call, turn is a 10, i check he goes all-in i call (easy fold??). He shows 77 for a full house, the reason i tell you this is so you can get into my head for the next hand against him. Thoughts on this hand?

Pre-Flop and Flop are fine. Turn is fine betting out, as this 2 couldn't have helped either of you. Without any background to this hand it's hard to say what this re-raise on the turn means, for analysing this hand in isolation.... But possibly this re-raise could have set alarm bells ringing. Is he a rock or a LAG.....

On the river, with this 10 coming, you could have possibly got away from it. On the flop and turn you'd really have to put him on TP, trips or an over pair, you're only beating one of these 3 possible holdings now and you might have been able to get away from it.

willis wrote:

2nd Hand - AA on button(ive $100), UTG(rock limps,prob small pockets) another limp, i make it $3.50, villain(button above) is sb and calls, Utg also calls so pot is $10. The flop is 10 8 3 rainbow.

He bets out at the pot $10( he has $140). UTG folods and up to me. I put him on Ace 10, JJ or QQ, i doubt KK. My play now?
(a) Call - Show weakness, let him bet the turn again
(b) Fold - Can i?
(c) Raise - if so how much? Whats my play if he goes allin? and if he flat calls?

I will be looking for advice on my turn play later, cheers

On this flop, you definitely can't fold.

There's nothing wrong with calling and seeing what he does on the turn but to get more information I think I'd re-raise here about $25 - $30, this way you'll find out where you are. And get a little more information as to his probable holdings, it's a fairly decent flop for you, this guy seems like a fairly decent aggressive player and it'll be hard to put him on trips here again, I can see him re-raising all-in here with all the probable hands you listed, any over pair, (I doubt he has A10) or with trips and so I think I'd call this All-in. The times he has JJ+ will compensate for the times he has trips. (as Roundtower says)

But alot of this decision would depend on how loose he generally was and just based on the fact that he had trips on one hand previously, isn't really enough, (except I assume that he had trips again, hence the post) So if he's a rock and only bets with the nuts, then I might fold here.

If he flat calls I'd see what the turn brings and how he acts before making my decision,

Hectorjelly

Hand 1 is a fold on the turn, Hand 2 calling is more profitable than raising if hes in any way decent.

willis

I did just call the turn. It was a 10, he goes allin. Now what? Do u not think if he has the 10 he checks or bets small?hes a solid player btw

handsfree

story willis. first one reraise is always a fold on ppp .25/.5 anytime anyone of these players gets the balls to reraise hes got a monster, u are just unlucky.
second one is tricky . should maybe reraise but u dont want to slaughter the cash cow. unluck again with the second ten. what i'd do is reraise if its a small bet and if he rereaises fold or check if he checks trying to slow play you. why would he bet the flop and the check the turn. my read would be 10 8 or so weak kicker anyway because he wants you out of that pot.