Another hand analysis

ionapaul

Live tournament, two tables remaining. Blinds are 400 / 800. You are in SB with approx. 4.5k. Table of 8, folded to the button who limps. You are holding 7-5o, and simply complete. BB checks.

Flop is K-J-7 rainbow. You check, BB checks, Button checks. You have absolutely no read on the button, he has an average stack (12k or so) that well covers your short stack. Decent player. Turn is 3.

1) Make a move now?

You decide to check. BB checks. Button throws out 1.5k bet into existing pot of 2.4k.

2) Push your remaining 3.7k?

careca

I often find when someone checks the flop and bets the turn (where its obvious the turn has not helped them) that they have second pair. In this case the bettor could easily have Jx and was just worried about the K on the flop. When noone bet that flop he thought he was then ahead.

Sorry, just realised he was last to act after the flop and didn't bet. ya, push. Lol.

Waylander

I think I would have to lay it down. You could not have stood up to a reraise post flop with bottom pair 5 kicker so I think it would not have been a good time to try to take it down. You are on the button next hand and should find a better spot before the blinds come back around to you.

The Troll

Better play is dont bother completing with 57o IMHO

padser

It was folded to the button who limped. With the blinds as high as they are i find this a very strange play. He doesnt have pot odds to limp with suited connnecters etc. So i would say in this position if he is goingt to play a hand it should be for a raise. He didnt and i would say it means that
a)he is a weak, passive player who has picked up Ax,Kx or maybe QJ and is too passive to raise
or
b)He has picked up AA, KK, (possibly QQ) and thinks the best way to get some action is flat call and hopefully SB comletes and either SB or BB hits something to pay him off. (risky)


So im def folding.

DapperGent

I don't think you can avoid completing even though it's 75o you're still getting great odds from the pot. Unless I've been exceedingly push happy I would jam preflop hope for two folds and take the likely 60/40 if it came. Shortstacked as you are it's in or around the last time you'll be able to generate folding equity for the exceedingly healthy pot of 2k as it stands. Frankly this is a blatant preflop push for me.

I push as soon as I hit bottom pair if I've completed, you might get lucky and fold a J. You may well be fúcked but you only have 5 BB left so you're utterly boned anyway.

handsfree

i'd go for it. the button doesn't need cards to bet. he's not risking much and has position. you should have made a bet of similar size(1.5k) on the turn because you know if you are called or raised your probably behind. now you've gone in blind

ionapaul

Even though I said I had no read on the button, I definitely don't think he was slow playing a big hand, we can rule out AA-99 or AK-AJ as he would have raised pre-flop. Otherwise I didn't have a clue what he held.

This is the hand I went home thinking about. I thought about his 1.5k bet for a while, then folded and he didn't show. I found QQ a few hands later in LP with three limpers in front of me, pushed with approx. 3.5k, the blinds folded and two of the limpers called and checked it down. When I saw a K high flop I knew I was dead, the two turned over A9o and KJo.

I should have pushed with my bottom pair after that the turn bet

Funkyzeit

Got to go with general consensus - fold for me. Kicker just way too poor..

Marq

Funkyzeit wrote:

Got to go with general consensus - fold for me. Kicker just way too poor..

It's disingenuous to say that the general concensus advises a fold. I agree that this is a push pre-flop, and a definite open-push on the flop. BTW, there was a table downstairs, so three tables left: push push push

NickyOD

I would have either pushed preflop or folded but If the Button is a good player I'd be wondering why he's limping. You're so shortstacked even half a blind is vital. If you push preflop and get them to fold you can increase your stack by 40%. You would only need them to fold half the time for this to be the right move because of the times you will still win when you get called.

ionapaul

Funkyzeit wrote:

Got to go with general consensus - fold for me. Kicker just way too poor..

I don't think the kicker matters - I was worried about him a) 'slow playing' top pair on the flop or b) being extremely cautious with mid pair. I think it was very weak of me to fold post-flop, very foolish actually. Argh.
Marq, there were only two tables left at this stage (10 minutes or so after you left), one up and one down, but there were still 17 or so players left when this hand occured so yes, there was absolutely no reason to think about limping onto the final table.
I had pushed about three times during the previous two orbits, actively looking to double up when I saw an ace or paint, but only got the blinds. I think I missed my best opportunity (other than my exit with QQ) to double up and begin a clawback when I folded the 7-5o.