Hand opinion please.

shoutman

10+1 sit and go in the merrion tonight.

2nd hand utg +1(i think) raises to 150 blinds 25/50
I call with a j suited.
Everyone else folds
Flop comes a 9 7 rainbow board
Villain raises all in.

I fold my a j suited.

He flips over a 8o, I flip my a j, to which he starts barrating me for folding such a hand.
We both had the exact same chip stack and I saw no reason why I should call this with a j kicker when he could of had aa ak aq or 99 or 77,
Was I wrong not to call?

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

this isn't a hand opinion thread - simply a moan or bad beat thread (and you know what we do with them don't you?!)

Hand 1: you were clearly right to fold
Hand 2: You were clearly right to call [sometimes A-K wins against K-Q]

Hectorjelly

shoutman wrote:

He flips over a 8o, I flip my a j, to which he starts barrating me for folding such a hand.
We both had the exact same chip stack and I saw no reason why I should call this with a j kicker when he could of had aa ak aq or 99 or 77,
Was I wrong not to call?

The set hands are very unlikely because there are much less combinations of them and his play is not consistant with a set, I think you should be committed to the hand given the action so far, AK AQ are the only 2 hands that would be played in this manner that beat you and you will be up against worse most of the time.

bohsman

You shouldnt have shown the AJ

NickyOD

Fold preflop

shoutman

thanks for the opinions all.

Mmmm_Lemony

NickyOD wrote:

Fold preflop

Is this not a bit too tight with a raise of 3BB?

I'm only a fish, but I'm calling anything up to a quarter stack.

willis

Mmmm_Lemony wrote:

I'm only a fish, but I'm calling anything up to a quarter stack.

Any chance you can tell me what site u play on and your username, cheers

RoundTower

What was the starting stack? Everyone who is giving you advice is talking ****e if they don't know what it was.

If the stacks were 2000 I think you played both hands well. If they were 1000 I would call the first hand. If they were 5000 I would probably have called or made it 800 in the second hand.

Mmmm_Lemony

PPP - PaddyPowwer is my handle. I mainly play heads up for .10 + .01. I have 3.48 in my account. I have won 12 in a row. Is that good?

Mmmm_Lemony

willis wrote:

Any chance you can tell me what site u play on and your username, cheers

Wanna play heads up for €20?

I'm in work now, how about 01.00 tonight?

willis

€20 is above my bankroll, sorry! only yanking ur chain man, chillax. About the AJ, i dont think you should ever call for a quarter of your stack, if you think your ahead then rerasie, if your behind then fold. Calling is very bad here imo

NickyOD

Mmmm_Lemony wrote:

Is this not a bit too tight with a raise of 3BB?

I'm only a fish, but I'm calling anything up to a quarter stack.

If I was the only player left in the hand in the BB I'd call but against a UTG raise with players to act behind you AJ is garbage. You run the risk of having the pot raised behind you and if you flop an ace you will either be miles behind or miles ahead, either way you either lose big or win little. You'd be better off playing 9T suited in that spot.

shoutman

the chip stacks were 1500

and In my opinion folding a j suited would be pretty tight for a small raise in comparison to the chip stacks.
Sorry I didnt tell all the details at the start

NickyOD

shoutman wrote:

the chip stacks were 1500

and In my opinion folding a j suited would be pretty tight for a small raise in comparison to the chip stacks.
Sorry I didnt tell all the details at the start

AJ is a ****e hand unless you are the one open raising with it. If UTG has a normal raising range of TT-AA, AQ, AK even throw in 99-KQ you still need a hand better than AJ to be ahead of this range. Granted in your scenario he has A8 but under "normal" circumstances he will have something that puts AJ in trouble often enough for you to justify folding it to a single raise.

Sample hand from a recent Tom McEvoy video of him playing a turbo SnG on Pokerstars. UTG makes a standard raise at level 1. Tom folds AJ 1 from the Cutoff. The Button makes a small reraise, Blinds fold, UTG calls. Flop A-x-x. Button had AQ (I can't remember what UTG had but he lost a lot of chips)

shoutman

So Nicky you wouldnt of called in my position?
On the button with a raise before me?

cheers for the advice guys

NickyOD

shoutman wrote:

So Nicky you wouldnt of called in my position?
On the button with a raise before me?

cheers for the advice guys

No I wouldn't and you can't justify calling either since you folded when you flopped your ace.

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

also worth bearing in mind that this was a €10 sit-n-go in the Merrion at about two in the morning ... drunk students from the TCD Buttery poker tournament spending their remaining few bob. Don't think it is possible to rationalise play like that.

fyi the Buttery tournament last night was a €10 freezeout (no reg!) 100 runners. Was playing it sober which actually made it more fun than with a few drinks. Sample hands include big stack on table calling a re-re-raise by pushing all-in with 10-2 (and hitting a house!). I seriously don't think it is possible to properly analyse play in a tournie like that or a €10 sit-n-go in the Merrion using logical analysis.

This really seems like a poorly disguised bad beat. You don't have to be tilt to push with A-K; although you would preferably like to see some cards before you commit. If you're called by K-Q and a Q hits, well so be it, the odds didn't work out. There's no information in the OP about tells etc - a pure bad beat story imho.

youcantseeme

Roundtower2 wrote:

this isn't a hand opinion thread - simply a moan or bad beat thread (and you know what we do with them don't you?!)

Hand 1: you were clearly right to fold
Hand 2: You were clearly right to call [sometimes A-K wins against K-Q]

Get annoyed much??

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

not particularly, but we have a clear policy on this forum to keep bad beat threads in a particular part of the forum...