Collusion

DocO

i was involved in a live cash game recently and i was convinced that there was collusion at the table.

It was a fri night, and so there was the normal drunken aspect involved, and with this i found it glaring obvious.

Three "suits" were playin, with originally jus 2 of them at the table, and they had requested there friend get moved from the feeder game to their table, (understanding enough)

when he eventually came he got involved in a massive pot against one of his friends, a pot in which he lost over 200, by continuosly calling to the river. Yet again there was no suspicions until the conversation following the hand...

the guy who had lost (to his friends full house) said "You've very short memory" and the friend replied "what" and he repeated the sentence again.
His friend whilst stackin his chips said "u wernt looking at me" and when the friend shook his head he repeated "u wernt watchin me"
The losing player sighed deeply and no more was said about the hand.
is this enough grounds to ask the players to be removed?
they could deny why they said it, or it could have been some reasonably innocent agreement they had that they would not bluff against each other.
Thankfully they were that drunk that they did not succeed in using this to their advantage, but i think that there is no place for this in poker, even if it is "innocent". It is un-needed and should be stamped out, and i feel more assertive action needs to be taken, although i am also aware how much of a sensitive issue it is.
(assertive action like PPP did when they removed the first and second place norwegians in the tournament months back)

opinions???

Hectorjelly

you want to remove 3 players who are so drunk they cant remember a conversation that took place 2 minutes ago?

Doc Farrell

collusion happens all the time. that was an example. an hilarious one.

another is students soft playing against each other but hard against me. what they don't seem to realise is that they are giving away huge amounts of information like ur pals, the suits, above.

believe me, if i think collusion is happening to the degree that it interferes with my money making activities then I will smash it but if they are so incompetant at it that is benefits me then I will allow it in very small doses.

assclowns! ( to borrow nickys phrase)

DocO

gud point doc
cheers

Pokerevents

Yeah, agree with you Doc.
However the rake you pay as a player gives you a right to a director who should stand and monitor a game in which there is any suspicion what-so-ever of people playing together.
The likes of Luke Ivory or Donal Mac would spot these morans activities a mile away.

Ballyman

I was also sitting at this table with the suits. The original "loser" was sitting beside me and was hammered out of his head.

He then proceeded to lose a pot of €500+ to lambchop when there was AKx on the flop and he had JJ and couldn't put them down. He kept saying to me, "has he the ace" and obviously decided he hadn't!!! He called a €150 raise and lost?? He then lost €200 15 minutes later so was fairly well cleaned out by the time he left!

I don't think there was what you would strictly call collusion on this table just a kind of "don't **** me and I won't **** you" deal with each other as they were supposed buddies. How long they are buddies after that remains to be seen though!

Muppets.

careca

Off topic, but there was a young fellow hammered in the Fitz about 3 weeks ago, playing the round of each cash game. He lost his buy in (€100) with top two pair in omaha and then asked the dealer if he could buy in again. Dealer says ya and he proceed to throw five one euro coins to buy in. He was told he would have to go to the pit to get it changed and did so, coming back with a five euro chip. he sat down to play with his five euro and the dealer asks him if he wants to buy the blinds. LOL. Needless to say he didn't last long.

Hitman Actual

careca wrote:

Off topic, but there was a young fellow hammered in the Fitz about 3 weeks ago, playing the round of each cash game. He lost his buy in (€100) with top two pair in omaha and then asked the dealer if he could buy in again. Dealer says ya and he proceed to throw five one euro coins to buy in. He was told he would have to go to the pit to get it changed and did so, coming back with a five euro chip. he sat down to play with his five euro and the dealer asks him if he wants to buy the blinds. LOL. Needless to say he didn't last long.

lol . But he's entitled to one short buy-in in the Fitz, isn't he!

For the OP, surely these are the idiots that you want in the game. Plus, even of it was collusion, it doesn't sound like it was highly sophisticated or anything.

DocO

Ballyman, funny to see you picked up on it aswell, and are able to note what table it was etc.
did you have a terrible run of cards? involving a run to the atm?
yeh there certianly was alot of crazy betting on that table, and as alot of you mentioned if they are that drunk and inept to actually performaing their "collusion" then perhaps no harm having them there, although their intentions were wrong.(even if only soft playin against each other)