Need Latin and Irish Translations

vgar

Hey,

Haven't brushed up on my oul Irish in a long time.

Looking for the following phrase to be translated (its short and sweet):

'Live Forever'

Also, if you could translate it to Latin that would be great too!

Cheers,
Vgar

steveland?

Perhaps you should try the Irish language forum...

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=31

vgar

Sorry, had a look at that forum and it doesn't see, to be too popular. Thought I'd get a quicker response in this forum (plus I'm looking for the Latin translation too - tried it online but got three different versions).

Would have moved to other forum but I need it kind of quick as I'm looking to have the translation printed onto a dog tag I'm buying online as an xmas present.

Local Goddess

well live in irish is 'mair' and forever is 'choiche'-the 'i' has a fada. now i havent a clue if dats actually how its said but dats wat dey are separately. hope it helps!:D

Nightwish

in latin its "vivo eternus"

vgar

Excellent - thanks a million folks

el lupo

I'd say you should use "go deo" or "go siorai" (fada on the i) for "forever", as in:

mair do deo/ go siorai

Sounds more natural

Malafus

Nightwish wrote:

in latin its "vivo eternus"

aeternus - eternal or everlasting

(in) aeternum - for ever


how about 'vivo in aeternum', or just 'vivo aeternum' - [to] live forever.

I could be totally wrong, I have very little knowledge of latin, but it seems to me that aeternum is more appropriate here than aeternus is.

Mossy Monk

fada over a letter is alt gr + a, e, i, o or u
á é í ó ú
for those who didnt know how to do it on this thread

Nightwish

Malafus wrote:

I have very little knowledge of latin

shows i have even littler

vgar

Cheers, think I will go with the Latin version (sounds better lol).

Just while I'm here, I did have another one in mind (not sure which one to use)

Any chance you would know what the following is in Latin?

Live Fast
Die Never

Sorry, just I'm getting different variations around the web and not sure which is the correct one.

If not I'll just go with the original - Live Forever

Malafus

Nightwish wrote:

shows i have even littler

Very subtle difference between "eternal" and "forever" anyway, if, indeed, one exists at all.

But the difference between:
'vivo aeternus' - [to] live eternal(ly)
and
'vivo aeternum' - [to] live forever

is striking. The former, to me, sounds like "immortality" (I realise that to live forever implies that as well, but it doesn't feel as explicitly stated.)

Perhaps someone well versed in Latin will settle this...

Nightwish

nothing needs to be settled. You're right I'm wrong

vgar

Malafus wrote:

Very subtle difference between "eternal" and "forever" anyway, if, indeed, one exists at all.

But the difference between:
'vivo aeternus' - [to] live eternal(ly)
and
'vivo aeternum' - [to] live forever

is striking. The former, to me, sounds like "immortality" (I realise that to live forever implies that as well, but it doesn't feel as explicitly stated.)

Perhaps someone well versed in Latin will settle this...

Should the 'a' at the start of 'aeternus' and 'aeternum' be kept or is it dropped as someone else used above?

Malafus

vgar wrote:

Should the 'a' at the start of 'aeternus' and 'aeternum' be kept or is it dropped as someone else used above?

It should really be the little 'ae' symbol. Æ

æternum. If you don't want the hassle, 'ae' will do fine.

Edit:
For your other request, as far as I can tell, the most appropriate words here are:
Live - vivo (again)
Fast - praecipitis (best translation: hasty, dangerously)
Die - mori, -mortuus(participle)
Never - Nunquam (a straight translation of 'never')

So "Vivo praecipitis, Nunquamortuus" could be what you are looking for (Live fast/dangerously, never die)

The problem here is that I don't know if Latin allows for such a word as "Nunquamortuus". You might have better luck on the *languages* forum regarding this.

*Oops, typo.

vgar

Cheers for the help everyone

EDIT:

Just read your edited post there now Malafus. That's great - thanks a million for doing that for me. Will hopefully work something out with it now! You're a life saver!!! - Vivo praecipitis, Nunquamortuus :-)

nesf

Moved to Languages. Do not post here just to reach a broader audience please.

hullaballoo

The Irish word 'mair' means exist, and isn't generally used to describe life in the context of the phrase 'live forever'. There is always going to be an idiomatic phrase for phrases like these and the best I can do is the imperitive form of 'live' which is 'bí beo'. Then add forever to get 'bí beo go deo' which sounds a bit gay, so try 'bí beo i dtólamh' which I think sounds a bit cooler.

As for 'live fast, die never', the comma is necessary to make the sentence complete (otherwise, the sentence reads incoherently and nonsensically).

The best Irish I can work out for it is 'bí beo go gasta, faigh bás choiche' (there is no fada on the 'i'). Otherwise you can use 'bí beo go gasta, bí síoraí', which translates directly as 'live fast, be perennial/eternal/everlasting' which is fairly close contextually to what you're looking for.

Hope that was helpful.

simu

Nah, mair could be used tbh imo.

hullaballoo

simu wrote:

Nah, mair could be used tbh imo.

I was going to let that go, but I can't. What are you talking about, do you think I just made it up that mair isn't suitable? I mean, it's so ridiculous to just say something like that for what; to make me look like a fool.

grmph.

simu

There's nothing wrong with mair go deo, it sounds ok to me tbh (although there are "tidier" sayings). If people can say "go maire tú céad" why not forever?

punka

Malafus wrote:

It should really be the little 'ae' symbol. Æ

æternum. If you don't want the hassle, 'ae' will do fine.

Only if you're using medieval orthography. If you're using classical Latin the normal ae is the correct version.

As for the translation - people are giving the latin for "I live forever" - but I assume you want the imperative - which would be vive. Also, aeternum isn't really the word a classical author would use. There are plenty of possibilities, however, that are good classical latin:

vive in perpetuum
vive perpetuus/a (depending on whether it's addressed to a guy or girl)
vive semper
I also quite like "esto semper," but I'm not really sure how good a translation that is.

live fast die young:
praeceps vive numquam morere

I think this is more striking than using a participle, as Malafus suggested.


Finally, as for the difference between vivo aeternus and vivo aeternum - this use of the accusative of time of an adjective is unusual - vivo aeternus is the better latin.



But tbh, you can't improve on Horace: "non omnis moriar," I shall not wholly die...

vgar

Wow, that brilliant. Thanks a million for that. Wish I knew as much Latin as you guys. Everything sounds so profound when spoken in Latin!

punka

ha. that's what my teacher used to say. he used to give us all these ways of insulting people and say "well you can get away with it, because everything sounds so grand and fancy in latin!"