Allblacks win/Kiwi Press reports

Stretch*

Thought I'd post this as it's always interesting to read the other side of the story..we reckon the English press is pretty biased at times...especially Stephn Jones!..so here's our Monday morning sports news.
Sweet chariot loses its wheels

21.11.05
By Wynne Gray


New Zealand 23 England 19

All the chest-thumping, all the bluster about England's renewed venom should be redirected to the scoreboard at Twickenham.

The electronic lights twinkling through the early evening gloom in south-west London confirmed an All Black victory, one which appeared to have evaded any great local acclamation.

Perhaps they were blinded by a notion that an England renaissance had started when they bullied the Kalgoorlie second XV props who stood in last week for the Wallaby front row.

Maybe it was a reflection of the relief that England had resembled a rugby team again, that they had shown some of the gumption which had been absent in large lumps since their 2003 World Cup triumph.

Perhaps it was the need to find some sporting comfort in Britain after a weekend when Southern Hemisphere rugby and league teams tipped over their hosts.

The defeat at Twickenham was the least grievous of the rugby injuries, the sweet chariot was poised for more triumphs. Maybe, maybe not.

Not so long ago, as England built a near-impregnable aura at Twickers, phrases used to emerge from the mouths of England's coaching staff and players which were reinforced with weighty media support.

Narrow escapes for England were turned aside with the stance that tests were all about getting a result. That was the bottom line. But not now.

Unlucky, gallant and honourable are the current rugby partners for England.

However, a check of the scoresheet confirmed England lost, a defeat which will permit, bar some miraculous reversal against Scotland this week, the All Blacks to repeat their Grand Slam of 1978.

For more than 20 minutes of the second half, the All Blacks played with 14 men as referee Alan Lewis and his touch judges found three All Blacks guilty of professional fouls and sent them to the sinbin. In near tag-team decisions, Tony Woodcock, his replacement Neemia Tialata and Chris Masoe were punished.

However, England were not composed or competent enough to put the All Blacks away.

They had ample time to deny the All Blacks' quest for the Grand Slam but came up short in expertise. England had an early try for captain Martin Corry after an impressive lineout drive but behind the pack they did not have the attacking clout to beat a bludgeoning defensive line.

For the third time in three meetings since England became the World Cup holders, the All Blacks triumphed.

It compounded a galling few days for England whose administrators confessed they had voted for Japan to host the 2011 World Cup.

The All Black victory was a struggle. They never found a rhythm, although they found parity, against the England pack while the backs were out of kilter for large chunks of the test because of a ragged flow of possession. That could have been caused by the defection of Richie McCaw who withdrew following a head knock in the win against Ireland. His replacement, Masoe, was industrious but got locked into the trench warfare.

The pack stood strong at setpiece, particularly Carl Hayman and Keven Mealamu against the over-hyped Andy Sheridan in the scrum, and Jerry Collins was a monstrous dynamo throughout.

Squeezed in between the indifferent work of Byron Kelleher and Aaron Mauger, first five-eighths Daniel Carter was not at his sharpest, either.

Several punts were lame aviators and he fluffed one close penalty to end his sequence of successes at 24 kicks since the second test against the Lions.

But among his stumbles, Carter still had too much class for England. He made breaks which led to both All Black tries even if the first had a touch of fortune with what looked to be a forward final transfer.

But Carter's quality shone against England's midfield stodge. They would have had more success barging down the Thames than through the All Black defensive screens.

The England pack asked a lot of questions in what was a brutal inquisition. But when the All Blacks parried their hosts, there was little alternative from the white shirts.

Before they left New Zealand, the All Black panel reasoned England would be the greatest hurdle and aimed their selections to peak at Twickenham. The selectors picked the right target, they got the result they craved. Yet there will be discussion about whether they had discovered the best XV or whether, by chopping and changing teams they gave yesterday's XV the best ammunition.

With the Grand Slam prize tantalisingly close, the intrigue this weekend will be whether the selectors pick an entirely new XV for the final international at Murrayfield.

Will they play safe or introduce a touch of sentimentalism by picking tour captain Tana Umaga? Where will teenager Isaia Toeava fit in and do others like Jimmy Cowan, Saimone Taumoepeau, Angus Macdonald and Andrew Hore who have been only subs on tour, get a start?

Amz

You might consider posting on boards.co.nz instead ... Probably people there who'll give a crap.

RuggieBear

Did i watch the same ****ing game???????:eek:

Amz

Ah now Ruggie, they'd have had a censored version broadcast back home. Heaven forbid they get any dose of "what actually happened" presented to them. They'd probably explode ...

Stretch*

RuggieBear wrote:

Did i watch the same ****ing game???????:eek:

you don't like the POMS, the AB's get up your nose..and both can beat the crap out of Island, and probably will for many years to come.

Stretch*

Amz wrote:

You might consider posting on boards.co.nz instead ... Probably people there who'll give a crap.

Would be a novel experience for you.

RuggieBear

The Ref

who actually had an ok game besides missing the forward passes. Finally one those whistle blowers had the balls to sin bin the cynicAll Blacks for their constant spoiling.

For such a good team they don't half like cheating....

Stretch*

RuggieBear wrote:

The Ref

who actually had an ok game besides missing the forward passes. Finally one those whistle blowers had the balls to sin bin the cynicAll Blacks for their constant spoiling.

For such a good team they don't half like cheating....

We feel he was better than a lot of the pommy refs, his inexperience did lead him to finally be influenced by the continual bleating and whingeing from the POMs and penalise the AB's for things the POMs are also expert at doing...after all they are the masters of slowing down a game.
We are amazed at how the POMMY press can make a loss look like an honourable almost victory.....

RuggieBear

Stretch* wrote:

We feel he was better than a lot of the pommy refs, his inexperience did lead him to finally be influenced by the continual bleating and whingeing from the POMs and penalise the AB's for things the POMs are also expert at doing...after all they are the masters of slowing down a game.
We are amazed at how the POMMY press can make a loss look like an honourable almost victory.....

Well to be fair to england, it's not a very good team. But they are strong at the set piece and that nearly turned over by far the best team in the world.

Btw, Lewie will be delighted to be described as "inexperienced"....lol

Stretch*

Well he gets to ref a lot of 6N and other second rate rugby, but isn't highly regarded outside of the UK as a top ref.

RuggieBear

Stretch* wrote:

Well he gets to ref a lot of 6N and other second rate rugby, but isn't highly regarded outside of the UK as a top ref.

hmm...to be honest you should be banned for constantly posting blatently trollish remarks but... pray tell who you reckon the top 3 refs in the world are at the moment? I'd be quite curious to know

Amz

Stretch* wrote:

you don't like the POMS, the AB's get up your nose..and both can beat the crap out of Island, and probably will for many years to come.

Which Island would that be?

Stretch*

RuggieBear wrote:

hmm...to be honest you should be banned for constantly for baltently trollish remarks but... pray tell who you reckon the top 3 refs in the world are at the moment? I'd be quite curious to know

OK, we see different refs in action here more often, and I quess we rate refs who favour a running game rather than being whistle prima donnas,
my choices are
Jonathon Kaplan SA
Lyndon Bray NZ
Stuart Dickinson AU

Worst in my books would be Changleng (not sure which one!) and Tappe Henning SA, the most self imporant little man I've seen on the field.

RuggieBear

Stretch* wrote:

OK, we see different refs in action here more often, and I quess we rate refs who favour a running game rather than being whistle prima donnas,
my choices are
Jonathon Kaplan SA
Lyndon Bray NZ
Stuart Dickinson AU

Worst in my books would be Changleng (not sure which one!) and Tappe Henning SA, the most self imporant little man I've seen on the field.

Well, i defo agree with Changalangalang...appalling ref.

Lydon Bray is rubbish (lions tour showed up the kiwi refs imo) and Stuart Dickerson is beyond poor.

My top 3

Chris White Eng
Alan Lewis Ire
Joël Jutge Fra
J Kaplan SA

Stretch*

RuggieBear wrote:

Well, i defo agree with Changalangalang...appalling ref.

Lydon Bray is rubbish (lions tour showed up the kiwi refs imo) and Stuart Dickerson is beyond poor.

My top 3

Chris White Eng
Alan Lewis Ire
Joël Jutge Fra
J Kaplan SA

Lewis had a good game, as it was a huge match with so much as stake, we felt he succumbed to the Englsih gamesmanship (all harassing the ref all the time) Surely he should only listen to the Captains?
White ...No..
Jutge...don't recall seeing him recently enough

RuggieBear

Stretch* wrote:

Lewis had a good game, as it was a huge match with so much as stake, we felt he succumbed to the Englsih gamesmanship (all harassing the ref all the time) Surely he should only listen to the Captains?
White ...No..
Jutge...don't recall seeing him recently enough

What you think about steve walsh?

Crash

How can you ever consider dickinson a decent referee? i dont think i've ever screamed at a screen more than when he's reffing any game, even if i have no vested interest in it...

Eoin

RuggieBear wrote:

Well, i defo agree with Changalangalang...appalling ref.

Lydon Bray is rubbish (lions tour showed up the kiwi refs imo) and Stuart Dickerson is beyond poor.

My top 3

Chris White Eng
Alan Lewis Ire
Joël Jutge Fra
J Kaplan SA

I would have to put Alain Roland up there as well. Might not accept ANY talk at all from the players, but that may not be a bad thing.

vorbis

Stretch* wrote:

OK, we see different refs in action here more often, and I quess we rate refs who favour a running game rather than being whistle prima donnas,
my choices are
Jonathon Kaplan SA
Lyndon Bray NZ
Stuart Dickinson AU

Worst in my books would be Changleng (not sure which one!) and Tappe Henning SA, the most self imporant little man I've seen on the field.

Anyone who rates Dickinson is beyond saving in my book!

aoa321

Stretch* wrote:

as it was a huge match with so much as stake

Stretch, I could be wrong, but the way I see it there was nothing at stake, it was a one-off Autumn international.

The World Cup was the last time the Southern and Northern Hemisphere teams were involved together in a tournament where there was something at stake. If my memory serves me correctly England picked up the booty - maybe you could send us a few newspaper reports from around that time on what your local press thought of your beloved All Blacks - I believe that "yet again they choked under pressure" was one of the main criticisms.

Maybe at the next World Cup, if your God-given right to win the tournament is still not recognised by the other competing nations you could get one of the fans to smuggle the Web Ellis Cup back to New Zealand.

If the size of your mouth is anything to go by there should be no trouble finding a fan who could hide the trophy behind his back teeth on the way through customs.

Stretch*

aoa321 wrote:

Stretch, I could be wrong, but the way I see it there was nothing at stake, it was a one-off Autumn international.

Oops...nothing at stake? where's your pride man, a young AllBlack team, in fact an "A "and a "B" team, about to complete a "grand slam" tour of the UK, and what did Ireland do to stop this, apart from merely turning up on the day!
(OK excuse my presumption, but I cannot see Scotland winning, even though we are blooding even more young inexperienced run on players)

Eoin

Stretch* wrote:

Stretch, I could be wrong, but the way I see it there was nothing at stake, it was a one-off Autumn international.

Oops...nothing at stake? where's your pride man, a young AllBlack team, in fact an "A "and a "B" team, about to complete a "grand slam" tour of the UK, and what did Ireland do to stop this, apart from merely turning up on the day!
(OK excuse my presumption, but I cannot see Scotland winning, even though we are blooding even more young inexperienced run on players)

Why exactly are you posting here? The only reason I can think of is purely to pìss Irish supporters off. You won, in fact you spanked us - well done to you. Happy now?

Amz

Ah it's just that horrible inferiority complex that most Kiwis have.

muletide

would everybody stop reacting to this stretch guy he is getting a kick out of the fact that we are rising to his taunts so ignore him and before you know it he will go off and annoy some other nation

Amz

I have a quicker solution ... But I'm not sure how ethical it is.

muletide

i think it may just have to be done - for the greater good - we are good enough at knocking our own rugby team without importing this guy

Amz

He probably has a small penis.

Stretch*

Amz wrote:

He probably has a small penis.

of my nickname!

Stretch*

RuggieBear wrote:

What you think about steve walsh?

is a good after dinner speaker!

Amz

Stretch* wrote:

of my nickname!

That doesn't even make sense.

poobum

Amz wrote:

He probably has a small penis.

brilliant!!!!:D

aoa321

Stretch* wrote:

Oops...nothing at stake? where's your pride man, a young AllBlack team, in fact an "A "and a "B" team, about to complete a "grand slam" tour of the UK, and what did Ireland do to stop this, apart from merely turning up on the day!
(OK excuse my presumption, but I cannot see Scotland winning, even though we are blooding even more young inexperienced run on players)

Stretch, even though correct use of the quote option seems to be beyond you I get the gist of what you are trying to say. However, your mouth is flapping at such a rate that you can't seem to figure out the details of the points you are trying to make, so I'll give you a quick re-cap ....

YOU SAID that in the AB v ENGLAND game there was a lot at stake, then I SAID there was actually nothing at stake and pointed out to you that if there was the men in black would probably have shat themselves, and then YOU SAID that Ireland's pride was at stake in that game ... ??? ... presumably this is an example of Kiwi logic, or Stretch has been skipping geography class to go to loudmouth lessons instead.

Why don't you sit down and have a nice cup of coffee, and try to think of a point ... maybe it might even be an intelligent one, if it is you could try to make it on the boards here, if you can't think of one please stop hogging the board with your witless nonsense.

Amz

I think I love you.

Eoin

Amz wrote:

I think I love you.

Damn it, why couldn't I have been that eloquent...