strange happenings

monkey pleasure

i was at a tourney the other day and as the cards were being dealt a chap jetted off to the toilets.His hand was mucked but when he came back he still had a look at them.When the flop came 77Q he shows:mad: an active player his hole cards which happened to be 77.Whats the ruling on this, there was already bets taking place and the player that was shown the cards decided to place them faceup which is only fair i guess.
As far as i am aware since the hand had a bet and a raise it has to be played out.

jimbling

monkey pleasure wrote:

i was at a tourney the other day and as the cards were being dealt a chap jetted off to the toilets.His hand was mucked but when he came back he still had a look at them.When the flop came 77Q he shows:mad: an active player his hole cards which happened to be 77.Whats the ruling on this, there was already bets taking place and the player that was shown the cards decided to place them faceup which is only fair i guess.
As far as i am aware since the hand had a bet and a raise it has to be played out.

obviously he should not have done something so stupid... even if the player he showed them too was not active. It really grinds my gears when people show others there cards as the game is going on.

But as a ruling, once one active person sees any card, it must be turned up and shown to every player in the hand.

thats my understanding of the situation anyhow....

califano

jimbling wrote:

obviously he should not have done something so stupid... even if the player he showed them too was not active. It really grinds my gears when people show others there cards as the game is going on.

But as a ruling, once one active person sees any card, it must be turned up and shown to every player in the hand.

thats my understanding of the situation anyhow....

Says he who's never played a live tournie;)
Did you venture down yet?

bohsman

There is no reason for this to be a misdeal, the player should not have been allowed to look at his mucked hand. After that the ruling is correct the hand is turned up

jacQues

monkey pleasure wrote:

i was at a tourney the other day and as the cards were being dealt a chap jetted off to the toilets.His hand was mucked but when he came back he still had a look at them.When the flop came 77Q he shows:mad: an active player his hole cards which happened to be 77.Whats the ruling on this, there was already bets taking place and the player that was shown the cards decided to place them faceup which is only fair i guess.
As far as i am aware since the hand had a bet and a raise it has to be played out.

The dealer should always take the mucked hand and put it away. IMHO, the same is true for poker games like seven card stud. Although some players want to be able to see "what's gone", it also 'gardes' the table from people showing what they would have gotten when the hand is over. This, oviously, can be annoying. The main reason to put mucked hands away is to avoid problems like you described above. When doing so in Texas Hold'em, I like to keep mucked hands separate from burned cards, so its perfectly traceable.

My ruling (not sure if there is an 'official' one since all casinos will simply stop until the mucked cards are 'safe') would be "show one show all". Even if its between players that both folded. Actually, in our home game we instated the rule "show one = you just folded & show all" because it got messy. So if an active player shows his/her hand, even if its to a non-player, (s)he folded and the cards go face-up. In casinos, they use the rule that a shown hand (even if its only 1 card) cannot bet or raise, only call.

To me, its clearly not a misdeal. More like misbehaviour by a player. Therefore, I see no reason to 'abort and redeal'. If that was the case you could get weird situations like people (accidentally) showing their hand in order to get out of a pot etc.

jacQues

roryc

jacQues wrote:

The dealer should always take the mucked hand and put it away. jacQues

Yes i would think its more the dealers fault for giving them the opportunity. All folded cards should be mucked into ONE pile.

jacQues wrote:

My ruling (not sure if there is an 'official' one since all casinos will simply stop until the mucked cards are 'safe') would be "show one show all". Even if its between players that both folded. jacQues

I'm not sure if it counts when both players have folded, but then again it would be the dealers fault if they both still had their cards.

5starpool

and the lad that showed should have got a boot up the hole for his troubles.

jacQues

roryc wrote:

I'm not sure if it counts when both players have folded, but then again it would be the dealers fault if they both still had their cards.

Yes that qualifies as well. Since it could happen that the bodylanguage of the watching person provides information to live players. Also when a hand is not called it isn't nice to just show your neighbour or the person who folded last. "Show one, show all"; all the way!

In general, it is not sound to show your hand. Not to meantion not that smart. Also, if you (as a dealer) allow this, it can get very messy.

On a sidenote. When a hand isn't called it is possible to show just 1 pocket card (to all players obviously). When a hand is called, only the showing of both pocket cards renders the whole hand valid. In other words, to claim a pot a player must show both cards, irrespective whether the second card 'matters' or not. So add "Show one, show both; in order to claim a pot" to it.

jacQues

jimbling

rounders123 wrote:

Says he who's never played a live tournie;)
Did you venture down yet?

lmao... well spotted rounders... and no, I still havent ventured down yet. What with 8 hours of work and about 4 hours of painting the new house after work... in no mood to go off to a casino.


I've never played a live tournament in a casino.. i have played live cash games in vegas, and I play home tournaments almost every week.... im not a complete virgin