Lol..i think its called TILT!!

willis

Ive always wondered where HJ finds players on a regular basis who do crazy things for all their chips. well i found 1 who i cleaned out of his $150 stack at .25/50 in 2 hands. The build up leading to his TILT moment is as follows...

Ive just sat down at this table for about 10 hands. The guy to my left has been rasing every pot and has a stack of about $150. I get AdQd in the bb and after 3 limpers he makes it 4.50 in the sb, i call. The flop comes Kd8d2h, he bets $15 i call(stupidly thinkin he must be bluffin because he cant be hittin hands all the time). The turn is a 2c, he bets $45 putting me allin...for some mad dopey reason i call(wtf??) and the river is a magical Qd!!I know...i deserve to be called every name under the sun.

He loses it in the chatbox, calling me this and that, and im happy to wind him up futher. He then puts someone allin on a bluff and gets beat for $40 3 hands later and has $70 left. THE VERY NEXT HAND I get dealt aces in the bb, hes sb!I go to the chat box straight away, callin him a muppet for doing wat he did last hand...praying to get some action this hand....It worked

Table Name
Reversal of Fortune
[Nov 14 20:38:52] : Hand Start.
[Nov 14 20:38:52] : Seat 1 : willzer84 has $132.43
[Nov 14 20:38:52] : Seat 2 : greg6 has $65.44
[Nov 14 20:38:52] : Seat 3 : barney21 has $100
[Nov 14 20:38:52] : Seat 4 : tiger2006 has $8
[Nov 14 20:38:52] : Seat 5 : kidmilk has $35.48
[Nov 14 20:38:52] : Seat 6 : jason9654 has $73.99
[Nov 14 20:38:52] : kidmilk is the dealer.
[Nov 14 20:38:52] : jason9654 posted small blind.
[Nov 14 20:38:52] : willzer84 posted big blind.
[Nov 14 20:38:52] : Game [48341] started with 6 players.
[Nov 14 20:38:52] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Nov 14 20:38:52] : Seat 1 : willzer84 has Ac Ah
[Nov 14 20:38:57] : greg6 folded.
[Nov 14 20:38:57] : barney21 folded.
[Nov 14 20:39:00] : tiger2006 called $0.50
[Nov 14 20:39:08] : kidmilk called $0.50
[Nov 14 20:39:08] : jason9654 called $0.25 and raised $73.49 and is All-in
[Nov 14 20:39:08] : willzer84 : MUPPET
[Nov 14 20:39:11] : willzer84 called $73.49
[Nov 14 20:39:12] : tiger2006 folded.
[Nov 14 20:39:12] : kidmilk folded.
[Nov 14 20:39:13] : Showdown!
[Nov 14 20:39:13] : Seat 1 : willzer84 has Ac Ah
[Nov 14 20:39:15] : Seat 1 : willzer84 has Ac Ah
[Nov 14 20:39:15] : Seat 6 : jason9654 has 6s Jc
[Nov 14 20:39:16] : kidmilk : there's a surprise
[Nov 14 20:39:24] : Board cards [9d 3c 5d 3s 3h]
[Nov 14 20:39:24] : Seat 6 : jason9654 has 6s Jc
[Nov 14 20:39:24] : jason9654 has 3 of a Kind: 3s
[Nov 14 20:39:24] : Seat 1 : willzer84 has Ac Ah
[Nov 14 20:39:24] : willzer84 has Full House : 3s full of Aces
[Nov 14 20:39:24] : willzer84 wins $145.98 with Full House : 3s full of Aces
[Nov 14 20:39:28] : willzer84 : lol
[Nov 14 20:39:29] : tiger2006 : stupid
[Nov 14 20:39:30] : willzer84 : get in
[Nov 14 20:39:33] : Hand is over.

ntlbell

"for some mad dopey reason i call(wtf??)"

You call this guy a crazy idiot, and your play dopey......wtf is right

willis

Lol my play was disgraceful,i hate geting my chips in behind at any time and deserved to be punished by losing the pot.however he made a 150bb raise preflop wit j6!!!wat u think is crazier???

Lafortezza

If I was villain I'd be more annoyed about the two Qd in the deck!

willis

lafortezza wrote:

If I was villain I'd be more annoyed about the two Qd in the deck!

nice spot..tbh couldnt tell you what diamond it was

Ste05

lafortezza wrote:

If I was villain I'd be more annoyed about the two Qd in the deck!

LOL - I was going to say, I'm sure he hit another D though

Doc Farrell

why call the man a muppet? you call this gamesmanship? is this the sum of your character? and you are proud of this moment? congratulations, you have failed.

TacT

nice table etiquette

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

TacT wrote:

nice table etiquette

In fairness, willis was just celebrating a win from a bad player who bad-mouthed him first. Many of the 'good players' in any of the Dublin casinos would be just as willing to talk like this to other players to put them on tilt. For example, we all know how easy it is to put norman on tilt by egging him on a bit. Don't think it is fair to be hard on willis because he used a bit of psychology to get an edge. I wouldn't do it myself (but then i'm not a particularly good player!), and many of us wouldn't, but it is hardly wrong to see a player who is on the edge of losing his money irrationally and then give him a bit of a push over that cliff that he clearly wants to jump in any case.

Doc Farrell

I've never seen a player I admire or could admire antagonise another into calling so he could pick up his pennies.

If thats the road anybody here wants to go down and call it their life then so be it but don't post on a pubic board expecting admiration or applause when frankly it's the kind of behaviour that over time will destroy your love of the game, and your love of life.

over-emotional and taking everything out of context? possibly.
but where do you begin to draw the line?

Hectorjelly

Doc Farrell wrote:

I've never seen a player I admire or could admire antagonise another into calling so he could pick up his pennies.

If thats the road anybody here wants to go down and call it their life then so be it but don't post on a pubic board expecting admiration or applause when frankly it's the kind of behaviour that over time will destroy your love of the game, and your love of life.

over-emotional and taking everything out of context? possibly.
but where do you begin to draw the line?

How about this scenario - am I a good guy or have I sold my soul to vegas.

I get JT and raise, fat tight guy reraises me from the blinds. I hate this guy for many reasons, but most of all because he is fat and wearing a pokerstars cap and grimaced after seeing a hand that I called a raise with (I cant remember what it was but it was ugly). I want to beat this guy really really badly. I call the raise. The flop is JTx. He checks. I bet about 4 times whats in the pot. He raises me and I move in. He looks pained. I think he is considering folding, I say your AK is no good here fat man. He calls and slams down aces. I win

dunkamania

If you want to taunt your opponent,thats fine.
Its not the way I do it but its up to you.
I never let someone know they made a bad play,I prefer they think
they were unlucky,and let me have another shot at their money.

Funkyzeit

Hectorjelly wrote:

How about this scenario - am I a good guy or have I sold my soul to vegas.

I hate this guy for many reasons, but most of all because he is fat and wearing a pokerstars cap

It might be glandular....:)

NickyOD

Hectorjelly wrote:

How about this scenario - am I a good guy or have I sold my soul to vegas.

I get JT and raise, fat tight guy reraises me from the blinds. I hate this guy for many reasons, but most of all because he is fat and wearing a pokerstars cap and grimaced after seeing a hand that I called a raise with (I cant remember what it was but it was ugly). I want to beat this guy really really badly. I call the raise. The flop is JTx. He checks. I bet about 4 times whats in the pot. He raises me and I move in. He looks pained. I think he is considering folding, I say your AK is no good here fat man. He calls and slams down aces. I win

See you hell HJ.

Tackle

Ah, good old Jason9654 - he's paid a few weeks rent for me so I don't like to see a fish of his calibre subjected to this treatment. Take his money but leave him with his dignity, I say.

Wallko

Doc Farrell wrote:

I've never seen a player I admire or could admire antagonise another into calling so he could pick up his pennies.

If thats the road anybody here wants to go down and call it their life then so be it but don't post on a pubic board expecting admiration or applause when frankly it's the kind of behaviour that over time will destroy your love of the game, and your love of life.

over-emotional and taking everything out of context? possibly.
but where do you begin to draw the line?

Seriously come on!
would you please jump down off that high horse,
im sorry we cant all hold ourselves to your high morale standards,
Very presumptious to believe you know what will distroy someone elses love of life. Anyway all he did was respond to someone who started slagging him first. So willzer is meant to just say to himself, its wrong to take advantage of this guy who is abusing me, yeah right get real

handsfree

speachplay is part of the game, well done willis and hj for using it to ur advantage. poker is about profit who cares about who ur upsetting they should get used of it as things can go wrong all the time in poker. didn't slim armirillo take the piss out of people all the time to win.

NickyOD

Tackle wrote:

Ah, good old Jason9654 - he's paid a few weeks rent for me so I don't like to see a fish of his calibre subjected to this treatment. Take his money but leave him with his dignity, I say.

The only thing I hate about playing online is I can't urinate on the table after taking everyone's money.

ntlbell

NickyOD wrote:

The only thing I hate about playing online is I can't urinate on the table after taking everyone's money.

With the Limerick connection, I thought you would be more concerned that you can't stanley them in the face after a bad beat

davorens

handsfree wrote:

speachplay is part of the game, well done willis and hj for using it to ur advantage. poker is about profit who cares about who ur upsetting they should get used of it as things can go wrong all the time in poker. didn't slim armirillo take the piss out of people all the time to win.

I would have thought that as a winning player maintaining your stock of fish should also be part of your game. You've ruined your chances of taking this guys money again, once you treat him like this.

On top of that - who wants to sit at tables where people behave like this for hours on end?
If you do play a lot of poker I think you should you encourage good table etiquette just so you don't have to listen to this sort of stuff.

Tackle

NickyOD wrote:

The only thing I hate about playing online is I can't urinate on the table after taking everyone's money.

Yes you can, it's right in front of you.

I save my abuse for gutshot/set chasers who hit and bigstacks who crack my preflop allin aces with crap.

gosplan

I dunno, Speechplay is part of the game but there's a difference between speechplay and abuse.
I guess what you're arguing is that things that aren't acceptable in life, i.e. you wouldn't say 'excuse me fat man' to a stranger, are acceptable in poker because it's all out war?
Substitute the fat guy for a black person, is it ok to say 'your AK is no good here.....boy'?
I guess everyone has their own line on what they consider acceptable or not.

Ste05

I think one distinction that needs to be made here, that being the difference between speech play, pre hand and post hand.

Pre hand speech play is fine, anything you can do to make yourself more money is up to you, how you play and your style. If you want to goad players into making silly calls or silly raises, fair play. That's a personal preference. If I was good at it, I wouldn't think twice about doing it.

However Post Hand speech play is another thing altogether, if you out play someone and either bust them in a tourney or stack them in a cash game, I don't think anything can be gained from abusing this player, a simple unlucky or similar will suffice.

staringelf

am i the only one that just doesn't bother with the chat feature at all? i find i concentrate better when there's no chat at all. i'd like to think someone berating me in the chatbox wouldn't put me on tilt but i might as well take the easy way out and eliminate the risk. over thousands of hands any small advantage must be taken and if it saves me from tilting only once then it was worth it.

also, one of the best ways to piss people off is to not reply when they're calling you every name under the sun for sucking out on them (not that i ever do that ). if you acknowledge their insults it makes them feel better and may decrease their "tilt level".

also, i multitable (usually 4 at once) so full concentration is required at all times. chat can only serve to distract me and i was surprised at the leap in my performace and concentration when i just switched it off. maybe i'm wrong but the difference between a long term winning player and long term break even/losing player is actually very marginal so anything you can do to increase your ROI by even .1% should be taken advantage of as it all adds up in the end.

for me anyway, having no chat definately contributes to that. sorry if that was a little OT by the way.

TacT

why can't you be quiet, take their money and hope they come back for more?

willis

Doc Farrell wrote:

I've never seen a player I admire or could admire antagonise another into calling so he could pick up his pennies.

If thats the road anybody here wants to go down and call it their life then so be it but don't post on a pubic board expecting admiration or applause when frankly it's the kind of behaviour that over time will destroy your love of the game, and your love of life.

over-emotional and taking everything out of context? possibly.
but where do you begin to draw the line?

LOL. i used 2 abuse people outdrawing me in the past but ive learned to get over it and rarely post anything other than nh or wp to a fish these days in the chatbox. however he steamrolled me with abuse, so i played the fish by sayin "i was a favourite to win on the turn etc" talk. This wound him up further and he was steamin and so when he was in the sb,my bb, and him giving it loads...i threw in the muppet comment to try get him 2 do something stupid...he did. So whats your problem?I never ever speechplay online or live but this chap was doin my head in and i saw a chance to get all his money...thats what poker is about...seeing a weakness and exploiting it. The only way to shut idiots like this up is to take all their money so they can no longer afford to be at your table, i did that, job done, next hand please

Waylander

I think you did nothing wrong really. If a player starts throwing out abuse after a hand, I think there is an element of justice about the way you dealt with him. I would not try to commence a thrash talking session at the table, but if someone decides that I am a likely target for it, I will do my best to give as good as I get. nh willis wp!:)

Amaru

Does the fact that the guy pushed all in before he called him a muppet make a difference to this argument at all?

willis

I called him a muppet before he went allin, i dont know why the hand history is that way. i never slag people off after they make a bad play, i only called him a muppet to get him into the hand.BTW cheers waylander

Amaru

The lag between his decision and you pressing enter in the chat window means he probably didn't see it before he pushed.

Tackle

Amaru wrote:

Does the fact that the guy pushed all in before he called him a muppet make a difference to this argument at all?

The hand histories from ppp are sometimes a bit mixed up.

Doc Farrell

fair enough.
20 hours of weekend play can make me a bit touchy.
congrats on winning.
i don't like getting personal at the table online as it takes up too much time and energy. i prefer to just block losers chat, especially from experience online and since offline if i get antagonised I'm liable to become somewhat overly responsive.

gl, d.

willis

I agree with u doc, i dont like getting personal at the table however i felt it was to my benefit here to make the comment. i was just showing the hand as an example of how some people just totally lose it at the table and how you can benefit from it.
gl, will

Marq

Jesus.
This thread is a load of bollocks.