Racism Alive in Limerick

Metallicababe

Recently reading the blogger site Alive in Limerick.....The writer of this website certainly has a racist attitude towards ANY persons from any city council housing in Limerick. Its sad to see this individual trying desperately to run down everyone on a working class council estate.

According this this blogger Moyross should be regarded as area to be excluded and enclosed with no way out.....I dont believe the residents of moyross should be gettoised by cutting off public access to L.I.T. This community is already marginalised with regards numbers from this area whom are students of this college. Also the writer claims the L.I.T students must be the most unsafe in the city at night......Does the writer remember the rapes in U.L campus....no where near a council estate....

kaimera

I didn't think they were rapes in UL, just attacks [or attaches :rolleyes:]

billy the squid

A superiority complex this blogger might have, but racism?

Amazotheamazing

Is racism the correct term? I don't view people from Moyross as a separate race.
The blogger in question is simply a fool though.

Royale with Cheese

Yeah that's not racism, it's a social issue rather than a race issue.

billy the squid

In fairness I think that a lot of what she says is in jest. to be taken with a pinch of salt to be honest.

Metallicababe

Racism form of discrimination based on race, especially the belief that one race is superior to another. Racism may be expressed individually and consciously, through explicit thoughts, feelings, or acts, or socially and unconsciously, through institutions that promote inequality between races.

billy the squid

http://aliveinlimerick.blogspot.com/2005/11/serious-assault-on-northside.html
is this the entry you are referring to? can you quote the "racist" bits as I don't see any.

Laguna

Racism is where one discriminates or incites discrimination on the basis of race. Someone passing comments about people who come from housing estates is not racism, it's his snobbery/classist issues.

Amazotheamazing

It's funny though, over the past few years I'd say Thomondgate and Ballynanty are getting to be safer, nicer area's. Moyross seems to be improving at much slower rate.

Metallicababe

It quickly becomes racism/bigotry when the writer suggests people to be enclosed like prisoners in their estates....
it becomes racism when people are unfairly treated this becomes socially exceptable bigotry.

All citizens of LImerick ARE EQUAL.....

Royale with Cheese

You're not getting this are you? It can't be racism if the people involved are from the same race. Rich Irish snobs and Skobe's as I believe they're called in Munster are from the same race. It's social bigotry

Laguna

Unless the man is coming out with racist terminology and discriminating people by their country of birth/colour of their skin, you are using the wrong word in saying racism. By your rationale, if I had an argument with my brother who said he didn't want to go for a pint with me in a rough part of town, I can call him a racist?

Karl Hungus

Everything is racism these days, isn't it? Blow your nose in public, that's racism. :rolleyes:

Give it a ****ing rest already!

Metallicababe

what is a skobe????

billy the squid

Metallicababe wrote:

what is a skobe????

http://www.chavscum.co.uk probably describes it best.

Metallicababe

I knew some people would get caught up on the word racism.....

IT Can feel like racism if it happens to you

zachler

Firstly, its not racist. It might be snobbiness. No one can deny that Limerick City has problems. Maybe the locals genuinely feel that that path should be closed to keep Moyross people out of Caherdavin because a couple of them are causing problems. Is he just saying in public (albeit anonymously) what others say in private? I wasn't sure he was expressing any personal views anyway.
The victim of the beating was from Moyross, I heard, and he's not doing very well. Let's hope he pulls through.

Incidentally, if you felt so strongly about his post, why didn't you leave a comment. He usually replies to those.

Rubberbandits

billy the squid wrote:

A superiority complex this blogger might have, but racism?

The correct term here may be xenophobia. It is a fear of anything strange or unknown. It could possibly be applied to a dislike of the working classes from a middle class perspective.

Royale with Cheese

Rubberbandits wrote:

The correct term here may be xenophobia.

No I'm pretty sure that's a fear of other nations.

billy the squid

Dr J wrote:

No I'm pretty sure that's a fear of other nations.

actually xenophobia can be applied where people wish to isolate themselves from people outside their own little group.

zachler

Actually after re-reading it, I don't think its even snobby. He just pointed to a County Council url that proposed closing the lane. It doesn't take a genius to work out why some people might want that done.

I think its just another case of Limerick people being over-sensitive. If we blame someone else - the Dublin media, a blogger(!) - then we can shift focus from our own pretty big problems. He wouldn't have posted at all if some guy hadn't got a serious hiding down that road & I've heard of a fair few people being attacked in the same area.

Amazotheamazing

There's some truth in that Zachler. We shouldn't be ubersensitive to the people in Moyross.

Laguna

Xenophobia is the fear of the unknown/unfamiliar in general, not the fear of other countries Dr J.

Sunn

i think this is getting off the point now..

MikeTyson

ya im from weston, and when i went to some posh shop on the ennis road i bought a 10 box of fags and something else anyway and the cost was 5.76 euro because i saw it on the thing behind the counter and this prick says to me 7.76 euro please and he burned me for the 2 euro i thought id leave him off but later that day i was pissed off because i dont have much money and here some posh fool burnin me for 2 euro which is hard for me to get.. and other incidents like this have happend me before!

zachler

Or maybe he charged you an extra €2 because you're under 18 and shouldn't be buying cigarettes in the first place?!

MikeTyson

how did u know im under 18.. and how wud he know i handed him an id!

billy the squid

Date of Birth:
April 17, 1988
Age:
17
History:
a boxer
Real Name:
Kinnap
Location:
Weston
Interests:
Boxing, music and girls

from your public profile.

billy the squid

zachler wrote:

Or maybe he charged you an extra €2 because you're under 18 and shouldn't be buying cigarettes in the first place?!

give the guy a brea ok. overcharging in shops is not unique to the ennis road. and a person being under 18 is not a good reason to overcharge them.

pleuraXeraphim

Racism. Not sure where your getting that from? Unfair accusation in my books.
He/she merely states that their was a proposal to close off pedestrian access from the road to nearby Moyross estates. He/She then says that they doubt it would make much difference as the buffer of green land has now been built on. Which is true. There should have been no building on that zone. Its the problem with many estates in the city. Poor planning, with estates being built on top of each other and lacking any decent facilities or access. Unfortunatly there are bad eggs in all estates around the city (more in some than others) which give us all a terrible bad name.

bullets

I think the Alive in Limerick blog is great.
The Bloke who writes it just has a very dark and sarcastic sense of Humor.

Its a good sight to find (be it negative) news on Limerick and he keeps it uptodate.
Also he always puts a link to the other sites where the news may have come from
so even if ya dont like his humor or opinions ya can always click on the links
to the newspaper articles etc.

He Kinda picks on Lower class areas but I know/dated and have relations with
people in some of those areas and they themselves refer to scum and knackers.

In my opinion (which could be wrong and flawed) If you utter the word
Scum and Knacker to the average Joe Soap what kind of person do you
think will pop into their heads ?

for me it would be the types of tracksuit & hoodie & bling bling weaing
type people that drive around in souped up Hondas with thick Limerick
accents that live in "insert whatever lowerclass area here" that have probably
left school early and have run into trouble with the law.

I know not everyone that fits the description above would be a knacker
or scumbag but being honsest thats the type of person that pops into my
head when I think of the words.

It was similar to an idea i had wanted to do a few years back.
I wanted to make a sarcastic sight based on Scumbags. Not specifically
about Limerick ones in general. I wanted to have a gallery and decriptions
of the differnent varients. The gallery to come from various news sources
where criminals or chaves would appear.
A bit like
http://www.chavscum.co.uk/

Over the years being from dressing
alternativly to the "norm" most of the verbal abuse you got was from knackers
and scumbags. The site would of been away returning the favour.

~B

gaf1983

The post about cutting off access points to certain estatets reminded me of an article I read, directed from a thread in the Politics forum on the French riots, in which the author summarises why the French towns are in such chaos.

Here's the paragraph:

"An apartment in this publicly owned housing is also known as a logement, a lodging, which aptly conveys the social status and degree of political influence of those expected to rent them. The cités are thus social marginalization made concrete: bureaucratically planned from their windows to their roofs, with no history of their own or organic connection to anything that previously existed on their sites, they convey the impression that, in the event of serious trouble, they could be cut off from the rest of the world by switching off the trains and by blockading with a tank or two the highways that pass through them, (usually with a concrete wall on either side), from the rest of France to the better parts of Paris. I recalled the words of an Afrikaner in South Africa, who explained to me the principle according to which only a single road connected black townships to the white cities: once it was sealed off by an armored car, “the blacks can foul only their own nest.”

In other words, while closing off laneways may help deter robberies and muggings in the short term, I'd say that it does nothing to stop crime and anti-social behaviour in the long run. In any event, if the laneway was blocked off the muggers would just see it as another challenge and they'd either go over it under it or around it in order to get at their victim... I think segregating whole parts of the city apart from each other just causes harm to the decent people that use the right of way and would do nothing to prevent the scumbags that use it acting like scumbags.

Vegeta

ALive in Limerick is a great site and its more of a news sight than anything else usually its just news from other sources put together nicely I find the site quiet unbiased and a good read and I live in a housing estate myself so I'd hardly call myself upper class