yeehaaaaaaaa mother f***

dark_knight_ire

Today people i'm a happy man i'm released from hospital after being the passenger in a toyota avensis in which we had a high speed crash this morning. Flipped the car at 90mph after taking a bend chasing another car. Both car lost it and are completely totaled. We walked from it whcih if you saw the cars you would not believe it to see the cars. People the only thing that saved my ass was my seat belt. soooooooooooooooo........


IN FUTURE BELT THE F*** UP

Rabies

Why the hell were you driving at 90pmh and chasing someone?
I can understand maybe driving at that speed on the motorway if your in a rush, most of us have done that. But chasing some one :eek:

The Clown Man

What in the name of f**k were you doing going 90 round a bend? If you are not a guard your a f**king tosspot. And everyone else in the car. And if you are a guard the guy that was driving is a f**king tosspot.

bizmark

dark_knight_ire wrote:

Today people i'm a happy man i'm released from hospital after being the passenger in a toyota avensis in which we had a high speed crash this morning. Flipped the car at 90mph after taking a bend chasing another car. Both car lost it and are completely totaled. We walked from it whcih if you saw the cars you would not believe it to see the cars. People the only thing that saved my ass was my seat belt. soooooooooooooooo........


IN FUTURE BELT THE F*** UP

Its people like your driver who help make insurance so expensive for the rest of us with an ounce of responsibility.Congratulations on not killing anyone while you where acting the idiot :rolleyes:

threebeards

dark_knight_ire wrote:

Today people i'm a happy man i'm released from hospital after being the passenger in a toyota avensis in which we had a high speed crash this morning. Flipped the car at 90mph after taking a bend chasing another car. Both car lost it and are completely totaled. We walked from it whcih if you saw the cars you would not believe it to see the cars. People the only thing that saved my ass was my seat belt. soooooooooooooooo........


IN FUTURE BELT THE F*** UP

Do you really think you're gonna get sympathy or kudos here? What kind of a tit are you?

mike65

dark_knight_ire you are a tosser of the first order and are banned for a week.

The last thing we need is you comming on here telling us how clever you are.

Mike.

Robbo

From what I recall, this chap is a Garda...

mike65

*cough*

Mike.

tribble

The GARDAI drive toyota Avensis

tribble

http://sligoweekender.ie/news/story.asp?j=19962 - not our chap but recent all the same.

Last year's car of the year award went to the Toyota Avensis

Eye

just chatting to dark_knight_ire here now after his "incident" he's a wee bit sore after it but he'll survive, but he did want me to mention (to all those who thought he's a tosser etc...) he was out risking his life :eek: trying to catch that stolen car, trying to make the world a safer place for us all, so just remember that.

bizmark

He should have made that a bit more clear tbh

Sorry man good to hear you’re not badly injured....er here have some + rep

RuggieBear

Well to tell you the truth...i thought tosser as soon as i read that post!!! But being a Garda on duty changes all that.:cool: So, glad to see your not too hurt and i hope the stupid ****er you were chasing gets what he deserves.

unkel

Good to hear you're ok

From my experience, I believe Gardai on duty are belting up now at a much greater rate than a year or two ago. This is good news and indeed it might have saved your life!

P.S. in future when posting, remember to state you're a guard where appropriate, even after you've had a few bevvies to calm the nerves

impr0v

heh. you can almost feel the 'holy s*** i'm still in one piece!' post-accident adrenaline rush.

Tommy Vercetti

Get a better driver or a better car. Being outrun by 16 year old scum must suck.

cormie

mike65 wrote:

dark_knight_ire you are a tosser of the first order and are banned for a week.

The last thing we need is you comming on here telling us how clever you are.

Mike.

Why would you band him before he even has a chance to reply and explain himself? His point was that a seat belt saved his life. He just had a story to go with it. Wether he was a Garda or not he was informing us to wear seatbelts.

Tommy Vercetti

Just wanna add that I wasn't attempting to have a go at you personally, but I think that our fine boys and girls in blue should have better equipment than a Toyota Avensis to fight crime with. Crap resources and all that. Glad you're ok.

ambro25

I hear you re. seat belts and am glad you've walked out of this in one piece to fight crime another day - but one instance of a seat belt saving your life does not equate to seat belts saving lives everytime. The balance of probabilities is that it will, I concede, but I know of 2 instances first-hand in which wearing the seat belt would have killed the driver, and that's no extrapolation:

No speeding involved (65-70 mph on M'way),
just (very) wet roads on Xmas Eve,
a moronic apprentice mechanic and
a resultingly-malfunctioning cruise control after a car service,
a idiotic driver who cut up,
front wheels driving at 60 mph and the cruise control not disengaging,
back wheels locking up as braking had no effect...
eventual spin - hit central reservation - across emergency lane - jump the 7ft drop in the freshly-ploughed field - 3 rolls car end-to- car end - ejection through the sunroof (no belt).

If the seat belt had been worn and my dad had been in the car, he'd have had his choice of:
death by crushing (Renault 25 V6 engine 3/4 into the habitacle),
death by decapitation (roof V-bent halfway into the front seats - in fact the whole car was V-shaped) or
death by burning (car flamed up 5 mins after coming to rest).
There wasn't even a single screw or bolt to save from the car.

Now I do belt up - but it's been a long time for me to start wearing it.

a_ominous

Hope we're not going down that rat hole again about seat belts. There was a long thread in September IIRC (do the search yourself) about this. Seat belts do save lives in the majority of accidents. In a small number of cases they can be a hindrance.
But can you pick the situation where this will occur? No.
So wear the fricking belt all the time. No debate.

And I do know of cases too where people would have been killed or seriously injured if they had worn a belt. But I'll take my chances by using my seat belt all the time.

JB123

I dont envy the Gardai their crap cars a Toyota Avensis is not meant to be driven round corners at 90 mph.The Gardai need to be given fast chase cars.

Iv seen them using a 1.3 corrola to chase a bm lol. Reminds me of a story a Garda told me about chasing a 911 around crumlin in renault 4 hehe the lads were letting him catch up then taking off again .

Still the Gardai are a brave lot what with not having guns and having crap cars.Maybe if that car had not been stopped somebody would have died fair play to u mate.

Nuttzz

Can wait to see the national safety council ad..... "Young Garda's think their good drivers....."

Fionn101

So what if he is a garda , he is still stupid to get into a 90mph car chase , thats all the joyriders want . who cares if a car gets stolen , it's insured .

Yes I have had cars stolen on me before and yes it is a bloody nightmare , but this pales in comparison to someone getting killed just because the guards decide to act the hero .

there are far better ways to stop joyriding (stingers etc). and if this was more than just a joyriding incident then use the radio to , wait for it , co -ord -in ate.

Seth Brundle

Was it absolutely necessary to pursue the stolen car at high speed in an environment where the two cars could (& did) roll? IIRC, forces in the UK have adopted a policy of not visibly following a high speed car because of the obvious dangers. What would have happened if you did hit someone?

ambro25

a_ominous wrote:

Hope we're not going down that rat hole again about seat belts.

No we're not - it's just a case in point, which I thought I'd share as it's relevant - and that's what Forums are for, no?!?

a_ominous wrote:

There was a long thread in September IIRC (do the search yourself) about this. Seat belts do save lives in the majority of accidents. In a small number of cases they can be a hindrance.
But can you pick the situation where this will occur? No.
So wear the fricking belt all the time. No debate.

My, my, my - throwing the teddy are we? What's the matter with you? No s**t for 3 days?

a_ominous wrote:

And I do know of cases too where people would have been killed or seriously injured if they had worn a belt. But I'll take my chances by using my seat belt all the time.

Good for you. (truly and sincerely) hope you never have to be in the situation yourself (I have -reverse, though: it didn't work when it should have- and it ain't fun).

I'm not advocating for or against wearing the seat belt. You'd fill a server up with the debate. I wear it and now spend an extra 10 mins everytime I take my baby daughter in and out of the car, fastening her baby seat properly and herself inside it - I just wish "vociferous" seat belt advocates like you would be just as enthusiastic (read: correspondingly "patient") when I'm doing this in a car park instead of honking because it takes me "too long" to come out of the parking spot.

Fionn101

ehh, so what if someone is honking at you, they are the idiots in that scenario and we all know it , but you can't just cast kbannon into that group as a form of defence .

personally i'd take my time if they were honking , I know nothing is more important than your kids safety so fair play to you. too many times i've seen kids standing on the back seat of a car.

Seth Brundle

Fionn101 wrote:

ehh, so what if someone is honking at you, they are the idiots in that scenario and we all know it , but you can't just cast kbannon into that group as a form of defence .

personally i'd take my time if they were honking , I know nothing is more important than your kids safety so fair play to you. too many times i've seen kids standing on the back seat of a car.

wtf???
I never mentioned honking and in fairness I always give people time esp where kids are concerned and rarely honk (even if Im driving and someone does something stupid!)

seamus

Fionn101 wrote:

So what if he is a garda , he is still stupid to get into a 90mph car chase , thats all the joyriders want . who cares if a car gets stolen , it's insured .

Yes I have had cars stolen on me before and yes it is a bloody nightmare , but this pales in comparison to someone getting killed just because the guards decide to act the hero .

there are far better ways to stop joyriding (stingers etc). and if this was more than just a joyriding incident then use the radio to , wait for it , co -ord -in ate.

So based on this guys 4 line post you've concluded that they were chasing a joyrider, were acting the hero and had failed to co-ordinate with other Gardai - i.e. were just chasing this guy in the hope that he'd crash or they'd hit him and spin him out?

Since I'm guessing that the joyrider bit is a guess since the car was stolen, can you back up the rest of your assertions please?

How do you know they hadn't just come upon this stolen car, were 30 seconds into a chase (you need to keep chase for a certain period, it's no use if the Gardai lose them), when it happened?

DukeDredd

Sounds like he got a thrill out of it to be honest - judging from his subject line "yeehaaaaaaaa mother f***"...typical of most young Gardai behind the wheel...

ambro25

Fionn101 wrote:

you can't just cast kbannon into that group

To best of my knowledge, I don't think I did that. I intimated that other people of kbannon's strong opinion might.

Fionn101 wrote:

as a form of defence

Don't think I need any - so kbannon has an opinion? So f***** what? So have I and so have you and the beauty of Forums is you can voice (well...write) them!

Likewise, I'm not the one taking the high stance here, kbannon was:

kbannon wrote:

So wear the fricking belt all the time. No debate.

.

Not as if we're fighting or something - lighten up

seamus

DukeDredd wrote:

Sounds like he got a thrill out of it to be honest - judging from his subject line "yeehaaaaaaaa mother f***"...typical of most young Gardai behind the wheel...

He wasn't driving.
I'd probably be in the same state of euphoria after experiencing such a thing, and coming out alive. There's no greater feeling than having cheated death (well, there is, but it's well up with "Good feelings").

Seth Brundle

Why are people (ambro & Fionn) quoting me for things I never said???
Read the fupping thread carefully!

DukeDredd

Do the Gardai have to do a special driving course for high speed driving?

De Hipster

There is supposed to be an advanced driving course, but NOT all those involved in high-speed chases either a) have undergone such a course or b) are driving/provided with adequate vehicles to contend with such a chase.

ambro25

kbannon wrote:

Why are people (ambro & Fionn) quoting me for things I never said???

OMG - so I did. Profuse apologies

On Hi-Speed course topic, I believe it's compulsory for police officers in UK (relation of mine there just completed his). Whether it's any better than co-ordinating with multiple units & helpfully overhead helo, is a different matter... Still, has to do at least some good when Gardai have no choice BUT to speed.

And I don't think cars themselves have anything to do with it - problem which I'd see is that a Gardai Officer may pick a car from a pool, but it may not always be the same, the handling of which he/she therefore don't know as well when the situation arises. I mean, give any car to a professional driver (e.g. rally or somesuch) and I bet they'll do things with it you never thought possible. It's all about knowing the limits of the car and for that possibly there should be car-specific courses (e.g. take it round a close road, a track... get to know it).

Seth Brundle

ambro25 wrote:

OMG - so I did. Profuse apologies

as pennance - give me 1000 reputation points

ambro25

Tell me how and they're yours!

DukeDredd

So all Gardai don't undergo a course for high speed driving - for feck sake thats crazy if they have to chase at high speed. A blue uniform doesn't make you a good driver! It's a wonder they don't kill more people, although most of the time they just get themselves killed.

DukeDredd

And putting a bad/untrained driver into a better car for the task only makes things worse.

The Clown Man

A garda going round a corner at 90mph is a total tosspot anyway. And most likely the garda doing the driving was on chiefs permission and not trained in the garda driving course because no-one who had done that course would attempt to take a corner like that.

And if he had not done the course then he shouldn't get involved in the chase. As he knows already.

He took his own life and the lives of others into his own stupid hands and he should lose his job imho. Or at least get in SERIOUS crap for it.

kaimera

the cops in cork have a 2L Alfa afiak. one or two. Friend raced it a good while ago in a 2L Primera.

talking to some cops at home based in Dublin, they have 2.5L Mondeo's. Traffic Corp only.

mike65

dark_knight_ire unbanned as it seems he was doing he duty.

Its just a pity you sounded like a psycho billy! Next time less adrenelin and more sense please.

Mike.

The Muppet

mike65 wrote:

dark_knight_ire unbanned as it seems he was doing he duty.

Its just a pity you sounded like a psycho billy! Next time less adrenelin and more sense please.

Mike.

Just in time , He could be stationed in Waterford Mike

To be fair I think any of us walking away from a 90 mph crash would be a bit high on adrenelin. Thats the way I read his first post and was rather surprised to see the replies he was getting but I did remember him saying he was a Garda in the thread I started on speed checks.

Dark Knight I am delighted to hear you and you colleague escaped relatively unscathed from what sounds like a life threatening situation.

In future be careful out there.

BrianD3

IMO it is a bit unprofessional of dark_knight to be posting on the internet about something that happened while he was on duty. Plus if any of his superiors happened to read this thread it would be pretty easy to deduce dark_knight's real identity (as garda cars rolling over at 90 mph is not an everyday occurence)

Of course he may not be a garda at all and the whole story may be BS.

As for Garda drivers I have come across plenty of sh1te ones. One day I was behind an unmarked Mondeo in a line of traffic which was being driven quite erratically (brake lights on every 5 seconds, tailgating, weaving about etc.) It wasn't a chase or anything and he wasn't in a hurry, it just looked like a dozy, inattentive, untrained driver.

In contrast, British police drivers (motorway car ones anyway) are probably some of the best drivers you'd ever come across. They manage to be safe with super awareness, smoothness, anticipation, mechanical sympathy, control etc. and all while pursuing someone at 100+ mph

BrianD3

unkel

The Clown Man wrote:

most likely the garda doing the driving was on chiefs permission and not trained in the garda driving course

Yes all gardai driving patrol / unmarked cars are supposed to have done the course. In practice most drivers don't do the course. Not that they don't want to but for a variety of reasons, like very limited number of places on course

A garda driving without having done the course, does so with specific consent from his superintendent afaik

I feel this is a disgrace. All gardai drivers should have completed the course before driving unless there is an emergency. The commissioner should be forced to make public in how many incidents an unqualified garda was behind the wheel

Tommy Vercetti

The Clown Man wrote:

A garda going round a corner at 90mph is a total tosspot anyway. And most likely the garda doing the driving was on chiefs permission and not trained in the garda driving course because no-one who had done that course would attempt to take a corner like that.

And if he had not done the course then he shouldn't get involved in the chase. As he knows already.

He took his own life and the lives of others into his own stupid hands and he should lose his job imho. Or at least get in SERIOUS crap for it.

He already stated that he wasn't the driver of the car, and he also stated it was a bend, not some impossibly acute corner. You don't know all the facts, so there's no need to call for the guy to be fired.

The Clown Man

dark_knight_ire wrote:

Flipped the car at 90mph after taking a bend chasing another car. Both car lost it and are completely totaled.

I think that paints a good enough picture for anyone.

A joyrider will no-doubt make a mistake of going round a heavy bend at 90mph when the vehicle cannot possibly hold the road but a fully trained garda will not. Or at least should not.

The person driving was severely negligent and most likely acting out of his permitted area of duty; if indeed he was only on chiefs permission. He put his own life at risk and the life of "dark_knight_ire" at risk. Accidents happen but involving yourself in a chase when you have no right to and/or taking a severe bend at 90mph in the middle of the day is negligent.

And I am not calling for his job - I'm expressing my opinion. See imho.

Fionn101

Seamus wrote

So based on this guys 4 line post you've concluded that they were chasing a joyrider, were acting the hero and had failed to co-ordinate with other Gardai - i.e. were just chasing this guy in the hope that he'd crash or they'd hit him and spin him out?

>> Seamus relax, based on that guys 4 line post I agree with clown man,ie: they shouldn't be going 90 chasing anyone . thats all , doesn't matter if they were chasing joyriders or going for donuts.

seamus wrote
Since I'm guessing that the joyrider bit is a guess since the car was stolen, can you back up the rest of your assertions please?
there are no assertions, just that 90mph and bend and overturning car = silly , thats it .
Kbannon / ambro25 - oops i didn't put it down correctly ,soz

ambro25

Fionn101 wrote:

Kbannon / ambro25 - oops i didn't put it down correctly ,soz

EDIT: Ah OK. Don't worry, no harm no foul.

I don't have a problem with Gardai doing 90 to catch joyriders, provided it's in very light (read: nigh-on inexistant) traffic. So they rolled, so what? Dangerous situation = Sh** sometimes happens. Gardai duty = dangerous situations more than often = Sh** will happen, just a question of when.
Any of you 'disagreers' never had even a small bump?

At the end of the day, the supposedly-joyriders (car thieves at any rate, ergo bad guys whichever way you put it) would have totalled the stolen car anyway and it could have been yours or mine. In this respect, I'd rather have the Long Arm of the Law catch'em at it rather than after weeks or months of detective work (which can therefore be spent investigating something else, like drugs & whatnot), just so I can press charges on the b****ds. Giving assent to law-breaking just because it's dangerous to put a stop to it would have us all bond, blue-eyed and of German mother tongue.

Mutz

I agree that the driver of the Garda Car shouldn't have taken the bend at that speed, but sometimes the blood is up and I'd say that he threw caution to the wind - human error. He will be reprimanded for it - he can be guaranteed.

By comparing Gardai to UK police forces is not fair. The gardai have extremely poor training resources compared to the UK - waiting lists a mile long to do even the Standard driving course - nevermind the advanced. And Gardai do not pick a car out of a pool - the vehicle is usually the only one attached to the station, so they've got to make do.

ASFAIK Ford have offered to the Government to build special pursuit cars (with roll bars, reinforced engine blocks and all kinds of bells and whistles built on), such as the cruisers in the US, for a slightly higher fee than standard cars. As usual, the Government decided to shaft them and give them standard vehicles that are used in non-standard duties in an effort to save money. Even the national radio system isn't secure yet for gods sake - anyone can listen in and give out a fake call. :rolleyes: That is the state of out police force my friends, until they get proper funding and proper resource management.