StunGuns

Lenny

Just wondering,
are stunguns illegal in eire?
and how many volts in a stungun is considers leathel
ie. 65k
or 665k
how many would it take to kill a human, and how quick of a zap could you give them, and leave them stunned?
just wondering..

Lenny

Oh, btw
in case people don't know what a stungun is
here's a pic..
http://abacus.sj.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/77ba8e4e869901f5d29b6fbf4/i-1.JPG

Supercell

OJ; this is a scary post, are you contemplating a murderous rampage?

yellum

They are illegal, have been for a long while.
I dunno what voltage will kill you, its the current really that will do it. Mixture of the two I guess would be lethal.

Anyone see Johnny Knoxville test them out on himself ? Mad fécker.

Is that for sale on Ebay ?

Lenny

No, It will be used for defensive pruposes only
also, I found a site that sells them.

Karl Hungus

It would be fun at a LAN... Just stun the other team before the round starts...

But it would be VERY useful when mugging poeople... Just stun 'em, and grab thei money... No hassle!

Oogy_Boogy

as far as i know (dont blame if u kill ur self doing this), that if u toached someone with 2000 volts going thru ur body but with an extremly low current u wouldnt kill them, but 10000 volts will kill u several times over no matter the current.

afaik "Volts Jolts, Current Kills"
something like that

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Hobbes

They were legal for a very short time when they first came out. To my knowledge they are illegal now.

And voltage doesn't kill, it's the amps afaik.

Cake Fiend

/me flexes his brain...

V=IR
Voltage = Current x Resistance

Because R (resistance of your body) is constant, V is proportional to I

Therefore the higher the voltage, the higher the current.

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yellum

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Sico:
/me flexes his brain...

V=IR
Voltage = Current x Resistance

Because R (resistance of your body) is constant, V is proportional to I

Therefore the higher the voltage, the higher the current.

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Depending on the resistance you can have very high voltage and very low current. Stun guns use the resistance of air and/or the human body, which is quite high.

Current is the movement of electrical charge - the flow of electrons through the electronic circuit.

Voltage is the electrical force, or "pressure", that causes current to flow in a circuit.

Tazers are an even more effective way of robbing someone as you don't even need to make physical contact.

If you are caught importing one of these you can get into some serious trouble.

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Lenny

But would a 100,000 one kill?
I've heard rumours that these thigns can kill in an instant of a second..

Manach

In a recent New Scientist article, up to 50K volts from a Tazer can really hurt but not kill. The makers assume that one w'd be hit in the torso, and have not assessed what w'd happen if the barbs hit the eyes or an open mouth.
In the UK, the Met is due to phase them in for Xmas.

Victor

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by OJ:
But would a 100,000 one kill?
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Quite likely. 220V can kill (it's what kills most people killed by electricity, as it is the most common available in Europe). Building sites use 110V (also used in the US) to reduce the risk of accidents. Older people and children are likely to be at greater risk with high voltages. Remember a cattle fence is low voltage (12-24V ??) and it feels like someone is trying to rip out your spine.

A drunk electrocuted himself in London when taking a leak on the "third rail" on the Underground (1500 - 3000V likely). Ooooh, nasty burns.

Advice: do not get a stun gun - people do stupid enough things when drunk.

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yellum

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Victor:
Quite likely. 220V can kill (it's what kills most people killed by electricity, as it is the most common available in Europe). Building sites use 110V (also used in the US) to reduce the risk of accidents.
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1V can kill given the right circumstances, of low resistance / high current. Also high voltages can't kill if the voltage is massive and current small. In fact getting a static electricity jolt when touching metal after walking across carpet on a dry day can subject you to 25,000 Volts.

A shock from 220V and 110V isn't hugely different since the current while still lethal is only doubled. Its still got a fair old whack.

I don't think the 110 V electricity supply is any safer than 220 Volts.

A stun gun actually can go up to 300,000 Volts and still be non lethal, once the current is low. These things run off a common 9v battery. The current is normally around 0.003 amps while that of a house supply can go up to 13amps and is backed up by a powerstation !

Cardiac ventricular fibrillation can occur above the 10-50 joule threshold. The 0.3 joules level of a stungun is well below this.
(Joules is a measure of energy )

Wow and I thought I didn't learn anything in Elec Eng !

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seamus

The amount of electricity than can kill varies widely from person to person and depends on your state of health/mind, what you were doing, etc. 2 amps has been known to kill, and we've all heard of the park ranger who has been struck by lightning 6 times. Lightning weights in millions of volts.

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Bard

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by OJ:
No, It will be used for defensive pruposes only
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That's not going to make it any more likely to be legal.

Thorbar

If you're really interested in self defence and not just getting your hands on a flashy piece of kit then pepper spray is way more effective. Pepper spray is much easier to use and wont kill someone but put down for long enough for you to leg it.

Also LMAO at all the posts about current not killing you but the volts or amps.

phobos

Foul language works a treat, and I hear you can get books to teach you that fairly cheap also.

I think this thread is similar to one that was about air guns a while back. So my opinion is that I don't like them (I don't care what you say, you are going to use it for). But then again it probably isn't you I would be worried about. It's the scumbag that get's his hands on one.

But I do think the electronics side is interesting (I did Electronic Eng. before I went in to Software Dev.)

;-phobos-)

scuzzy

he he cool he he stun guns kick ass he he he he (etc)...

Lump

Its the amps that matter, If you get a jolt of a few amps directly to your heart, you're fúcked. However if applied to the body I would say that it would have to be 1,000,000 Volts, as the resistance of the human body is around 266,000 Ohms then if V=IR 1,000,000= 266,000 (I)

1,000,000/266,000 = I

I = 3.5 Amps I am only guessing though.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">High voltage electrical equipment can cause severe shocks and burns slightly similar to those from lightning strikes. Both industrial shocks and lightning strikes result in deep burns at point of contact - for industry the points of contact are usually on the upper limbs, hands and wrists, while for lightning they are mostly on the head, neck and shoulders. Industrial shock victims sometimes exhibit deep tissue destruction along the entire current path, while lightning victims’ burns seem to center at the entry and exit points. Both industrial shock and lightning victims may be injured from falling down or being thrown, and the leading cause of immediate death for both is cardiac or cardiopulmonary arrest.

If you survive a shock, you still have to deal with the consequences of the electrical burns. Industrial shock burns can lead to kidney failure, infection, muscle and tissue damage, or amputation. Lightning burns are exceptionally life threatening.

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Taken from http://psogden.sd27.bc.ca/courses/Physics/volthum.html


John



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WhiteWashMan

any low current can kill you if you happen to get hit in the wrong place. ie. if you get hit in the left shoulder, the fastest way to ground is through your feet, so it could go via your heart (current takes fastest route from body) and a few amps is all it takes to stop your heart.
i know this, i did physics in college and ive watched about every episode of ER
gearge clooney, oh, hes such a dreamboat