Payday Monday 01/11/04

DapperGent

Just to remind you all that Suited Aces are running the usual €50 + €5 freezeout in the Merrion tonight.

Reg at 7pm for 7.45pm start.

Mr. Flibble

How many people would normally enter this, and how many get paid?
Also, what are the starting chips and blinds?

DapperGent

Usually 50 or so. There were 63 at the last one. We usually pay the whole final table.

Chips 3k. Blinds 25-50.

mewso

DapperGent wrote:

Usually 50 or so. There were 63 at the last one. We usually pay the whole final table.

Chips 3k. Blinds 25-50.

I dispute that. It was deffinately 52 or so last time.

Hectorjelly

I didnt realise that this was this Monday, it will be a struggle to get out of work on time

bohsman

so how many turned up, was it a success, who won, etc

DeVore

40 turned up (I think everyones a little pokered out after the EPT and end of month game etc). I took fourth. Very good standard of play in general (except for my calling of Hyzepher with A3 when he had AJ. In my defence, um, I er... spiked a 3 on the river so it was the right play mathematically, yeah...)

Maggie (?, thin chinese lady, good player!) took it. We got to the last 5 players pretty damned fast but then everyone dug in and the fun and games began. Good quality play imho and it took a long time until the inevitable 2-big-hands brought us to 4. I tried a semi-steal with q9 suited with the blinds at 4/8K (we froze them there) but found a tired player with K9 and sufficently small stacked to call...

DeV.

DeVore

one other thing... an incident happened at my table while I was dealing. I dont know if either player reads boards and I dont much care.

4 players in the hand, one all in for only 300 chips. The others are in for a about 3k more in total. The flop comes and almost everyone checks. The last guy to speak bets 2000 more (to groans from the others!). They all fold and the bettor pushes his hand over the line and reachs for both pots. I remind him that there is a side pot and its a show down when out of the blue the guy who is all in tosses his hand onto the bettors. (its blatantly done and he doesnt attempt to deny it, in fact he seems quite happy about it). The ruling is given that the bettor should protect his hand and that the second player wins the pot.

At the time I accepted the ruling, and technically I believe Lee is/was correct. (I think it might well have been a split side pot as BOTH hands are dead but in the end the guy lost the ill gotten chips about 5 hands later, karmicaly to the same bloke!). The point is moot and I accepted Lee's ruling then and now.

However I dont think I've EVER seen anything as bare faced deceitful at a poker table. The bettor was very gentlemanly about it even though it visibly shook him. I'm glad he won the chips in the end. I've lost all respect for the other guy who, imho, attempted to cheat in order to win a miniscule amount of chips. Unbelievable.

DeV.

mewso

Holy cow now that is low.

Iago

[size=-12]sorry about that I won't do it again....[/size]


seriously though, I think I'd of cracked his head for him..

bohsman

He mustve done the mark strachan course on poker ettiquette

Davey Devil

I went out on an interesting hand and would like to know the opinion of your collective poker brains. I'm in early position with 6900, blinds 400/800. I get Q,J of hearts. Raise to 2400. Folds round to the SB, Asian Girl (9000ish stack) who hesitates and then flat calls, BB folds.

Flop come 10,8,6 with two hearts. She checks the flop, I go all-in 4500 on a semi bluff (flush draw and 2 over cards to the board). She thinks and thinks, for a good 2 or 3 mins and eventually calls. I figure she either has A,10, A,K or a flush draw. To my shock she flips K,Q, no hearts, no draw at all. As usual my flush draw doesn't hit and and I'm walking.

Worked it out on the odds calculator and I'm actually 52% fav after the flop. Hyzepher to my left said good call to her but I couldn't disagree more. I thought it was a terrible call. How on earth she can call with no draw and king high is beyond me. She had enough chips to fold also, she would have been left with 7000ish. Could she had honestly thought she was ahead after my pre-flop raise? I'm trying to think what hand she could have put me on. She didn't look at me once so there's no way she had a read on me. Would anyone else have made this call??

Lafortezza

Unless she had a very good read on you then I can see no way that this could be a good call. You sure she wasn't eyeing you up and you weren't giving off those "Don't call me" signals?

Davey Devil

Absolutly certain, I was looking at her the whole time, hey it's better than staring down Tom.

Hectorjelly

It was a terrible call, the best she could hope for was that you had a low pair and her outs were clean, but even then she isnt getting odds to call.

Shortstack

It was a bad call, but you didn't need to go all in on the flop. She gave you an opportunity to take a free card to hit your draw. I would have taken it and folded to a bet on the turn when your heart never came. Losing as 52% fav is no bad beat. With the blinds where they were, 2 steals and you would get your 2400 back. I made the same move though myself last week and suffered the same fate, although my all in was a re-raise on the flop. Just wondering if like myself you regretted the move as soon as you made it?

Hyzepher

She is a very good player - extremely good. I have seen her play many times and she is very strong. I said good call because it was - in hindsight - nothing more.

One thing I will say - she called for a reason. She is not in the habit of throwing her chips away.

Hyzepher

Hectorjelly

Hyzepher wrote:

She is a very good player - extremely good. I have seen her play many times and she is very strong. I said good call because it was - in hindsight - nothing more.

One thing I will say - she called for a reason. She is not in the habit of throwing her chips away.

Hyzepher

Why did she call?

Hectorjelly

Shortstack wrote:

It was a bad call, but you didn't need to go all in on the flop. She gave you an opportunity to take a free card to hit your draw. I would have taken it and folded to a bet on the turn when your heart never came. Losing as 52% fav is no bad beat. With the blinds where they were, 2 steals and you would get your 2400 back. I made the same move though myself last week and suffered the same fate, although my all in was a re-raise on the flop. Just wondering if like myself you regretted the move as soon as you made it?

Calling a bet and then folding on the Turn is a bad option IMO. Best to get all your chips in the middle when you have the best of it, especially as a lot of the time you wont get called.

Hyzepher

Hectorjelly wrote:

Why did she call?

She must of felt she was ahead - could of backfired on her but she ended up winning and all through the tournie she made the right choices.

Hyzepher

Hectorjelly

Hyzepher wrote:

She must of felt she was ahead - could of backfired on her but she ended up winning and all through the tournie she made the right choices.

Hyzepher

I made a mistake earlier, if she puts Dave on a pair like 99, she is just about getting odds to call. Pot has 4800 + 4500, and she has to call 4500 to win 13800, but its pretty marginal (She'll hit about 1/3 times). However if Dave has AA, KK, QQ; or more likely AK or AQ shes practically drawing dead. This is exactly like calling an all in with 22, sure you'll be a tiny bit ahead some of the time; but you'll be a big dog some times.

If your faced with an EV neutral decision, ie you are being offered exact pot odds, then it makes no difference what decision you make. If shes right and Dave has 99 then she is not giving up any equity by folding.

mewso

Never mind putting Davey on 99. She could be putting him on rags. I dealt her table for a while and she did play well from what I could see. She seemed to sniff out players who had not hit the flop and re-raised several times successfully.

Davey Devil

I don't see how she can put me on rags after an early position raise, fair enough if I was on the button but if you start putting early position raisers on rags, you're gonna be losing alot of chips in the long run. She has to put me on a better hand than hers. Only the most optimitic player could themselves ahead after the flop.

I know she plays a good bit of cash in The Fitz, and I think she was just spinning the wheel hoping to get lucky.

Shortstack, I'd never take the free card, it's a sign of weakness, if I had of checked she'd of had me all-in on the turn. If there was a heart on the turn she'd have been scared off and I wouldn't get any chips out of her. The correct play imo was to go all-in on the flop and have no regrets doing so.

DeVore

I dealt the hand and she took an absolute age to decide what to do. I think she may have read enough to make the gamble worth it but I'd have dropped that hand like it had bit me.

DeV.