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  • 22-10-2004 3:57am
    #1
    billy the squid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭


    I have noticed of late that the 4am back up period has increased in duration to as much as 90 minutes.

    I would like to offer a suggestion. You have three servers, pie, muppet, and www. Would it not be possible to have these back up at different times in the day as opposed to all three going down at the same time?
    Post edited by Shield on


Comments

  • #2
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    But all three going down at the same time sounds so kinky...


  • #3
    SantaHoe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,488 ✭✭✭SantaHoe


    Or just not backup at all... I mean when was the last time you had to restore from a boards backup anyway? ;)

    Uh seriously though, isn't it just the database being backed up... and all the servers essentially run off the one database?
    So if the one db has to be taken offline for backup, then it doesn't matter if the other servers are up or down?
    I won't pretend I understand how this database and load-ballancing malarky works... interesting though.


  • #4
    Sleepy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,367 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    From my knowledge of server setup you'd be correct SantaHoe...


  • #5
    ecksor
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 10,501 Mod ✭✭✭✭ecksor


    It doesn't work like that.


  • #6
    billy the squid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭billy the squid


    ok ecksor I understand that it is not possible.

    I don't mean to critisise I think you are doing a herculean job


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  • #7
    ecksor
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 10,501 Mod ✭✭✭✭ecksor


    I didn't say it wasn't possible, although I will admit that I haven't worked out how to do it. We can't just rotate servers like that though. We load balance the webservers, but that's all.


  • #8
    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    My understanding of the load balancing is:
    4 sessions for Pie, 1 session for muppet. A "session" being a user visit in its entirity...

    I could very easily be talking utter bollocks but this sounds like what Regi was saying to me recently. I didnt get past the word "pie".

    Its all terribly clever though.

    DeV.


  • #9
    ecksor
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 10,501 Mod ✭✭✭✭ecksor


    Indeed, but the backup ties up the database, not the webservers exactly. The ratio we have now is 10:1 btw.


  • #10
    MrPudding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    Pah, it's simple. Spend a bit of money on some decent backup software, take a snapshot of the database and then backup the offline copy of it. Database is offline for the duration of time it takes to do the snapshot, which in your case should be minutes, once the snapshot is complete it comes back up and the backup runs against the snapshot. And the cool thing is the snapshot can take up very little space, it is a factor of how much the data changes not how big the database is.

    Or something.

    MrP


  • #11
    ecksor
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 10,501 Mod ✭✭✭✭ecksor


    What sort of snapshot do you mean exactly? Filesystem snapshots recently became an option with FreeBSD and I think they may be the way to go but I don't know what the time improvement would be. I don't believe that mysql has any sort of useful option and I think they leave it to the filesystem tools to do.


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