training myself

chrismon

i was wondering if there is anyway to train yourself to become a better fighter?
i have no particular martial art.i did karate a few years ago for a year or more,nothing serious,and i did some boxing,im thinking about buying another boxing bag.I do alot of training in the gym so im very fit and rather flexable.

The reason i want to train is if some scum bags come up and start on me when im on my own(happens more than you would expect here ),i want to be able to defend myself better.And there dosnt seem to be many class's here in Athlone.
Anyone got any ideas?

Chris

Colm_OReilly

Chris I'm afraid there's not a whole load of options to train on you're own.

In order to develop the skill necessary to be able to defend yourself you have to be training with someone who's offering full resistance, and fighting back.

What I'd suggest is you start yourself an informal training group with some friends of yours. Meet, put on some protective equipment, and spar. See what happens.

Then perhaps you could get some instructional videos, learn a few techniques, and spar some more.

Whenever you can, try to make seminars in Dublin and spar with as many guys as possible.

Also, read "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin DeBecker if you're worried about personal protection. Sit down and think about where you'd think you'd be attacked, and then avoid those situations as much as possible.

I hope this helped,
Take Care,
Colm

blondie83

Chris I'd have to agree with Colm, that if you want to train properly you're going to need someone to train against, to get a feel for whether or not a technique is working. If you're in Athlone you could try this place:

http://www.bujinkanathlonedojo.com/

We went to a seminar they hosted over the Summer, and they were a nice group of people. Very good training facilities too :cool:

memphis

Have you a problem with taking up a MA? Personally I think your best to training with/under someone that knows what they are on about i.e. an qualified MA instructor.

SoupyNorman

i was wondering if there is anyway to train yourself to become a better fighter?
i have no particular martial art.i did karate a few years ago for a year or more,nothing serious,and i did some boxing,im thinking about buying another boxing bag.I do alot of training in the gym so im very fit and rather flexable.

The reason i want to train is if some scum bags come up and start on me when im on my own(happens more than you would expect here ),i want to be able to defend myself better.And there dosnt seem to be many class's here in Athlone.
Anyone got any ideas?



chris ru in A.I.T????????
i've been doing kickboxing in the college for a year and a bit now and im totally addicted.
what age ru aswell and even if your not in the college you still might be able to come along although you have to understand that this will not solve you problem overnight, it takes total dedication and patients(prob spelt wrong)...in my case im at it a year 2/3 nights a week and only now am i getting the flexibility to execute the kicks correctly its very rewarding and you will learn but i cant stress this point enoughYOU MUST GO TO EVERY CLASS!!!
W.B

paddyc

buy a bike knife and stab the first person that looks at you No scum bag will ever bother you again ......

else wander around aimlessly talking to yourself and plants and people will automatically avoid you cos they think you a space cadet

columok

LMAO @ Paddy

Brilliant!

Naos

rofl paddy

Directed at the bravestarr man: You gathered the use of the (quote) with [] yet ..... patients spelt as patience.

and this is the first time i've ever seen someone say wb on boards lol.

Chris: The bag is good for getting strenght + speed up, but as colm states, you really need to be training against a partner. Google for clubs in athlone.

SoupyNorman

rofl paddy

Directed at the bravestarr man: You gathered the use of the (quote) with [] yet ..... patients spelt as patience.

and this is the first time i've ever seen someone say wb on boards lol.

Chris: The bag is good for getting strenght + speed up, but as colm states, you really need to be training against a partner. Google for clubs in athlone.
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I do not fear the 10,000 kicks you practice once, I fear the 1 kick you practice 10,000 times.


havnt a clue why i said w.b .....moment of madness anyway ive got the man sorted he is in A.I.T which happens to be where im based and im kickboxing thrice a week so the rest is up to him!

whats kinda hard to figure out though is the fact that the sport and rec board has karate and k.b flyers up every week????

memphis

Bravestarr, like Mear said above, will you please use the quote button correctly. I know your a newbie to boards.ie but its getting annoying (and I don't think I'm alone on this one either).

When u press Quote button, you will get a reply field dialogue box, the text will appear something like this {Quote=usersname}blah blah blah { /quote}.
Where {} are []

Memphis

dabhal

While I agree that it's best to train with others, I think you can do a lot training on your own.
The Punchbag is an excellent tool.
Basically you want to be fitter, more agile and more aware than the average scumbag.
Not a hard thing to do I hear you say..true but it only takes one hit to crush you so you can't be complacent.
There is nothing wrong with training on your own and I would encourage it.
You will find you think a lot more about what and why you are doing certain things.
The trick then is to find a good club with like minded souls who you can practice and try out your ideas on. (Not an easy task)

Dabhal
A mirror image of yourself

columok

I think you can do a lot training on your own.

Cardio and strength (and maybe some Combo work) but you need a resisting partner to develop actual fighting skills. Punchbags dont hit back.

I think you can do a lot training on your own.

You wont get awareness from hitting a bag on your own...


Chrismon- Join a boxing club! Pure and simple. Thatll teach you to fight, make you fit, youll be happier, stronger and youll probably make a lot of new friends...


Colum

ActionMan

wanna learn to fight? Keep a close eye on those scumbags you're tryin to avoid (find a nice little vantage point outta the way) Martial Arts are great and I've been trained in quite a few over the years but when jumped by three guys in an alley you're not gonna whip out your lethal crescent kick! however if you are training in martial arts pay close attention to the banned moves! often they are dangerous and can be used swiftly and in confined places. Hammer Hands hurt like f*ck! forget single punch nknockouts unless you're built like a tank, in which case the only fools to mess with ya are insane or carryin! run! if ya ever saw a junkie gettin set upon by ruggers you'd learn loads! but hopefully you never will! fast repetitive punches drawing your knuckles over the eye socket and nose will cause some blood gushing damage and stop most people. Scumbags will be less deterred but goin further means markin yourself for death! breakin knees and **** is always an option but like i said it will probably attract more violence and your subsequent departure from the area! in the words of Arthur Millar - "Never fight fair with stranbgers boy! You'll never make it out of the jungle that way!" The real secret is to avoid dodgy areas, and if thats not an option dont travel alone. a 20euro taxi's way more fun than a free ambulance!

If you're bein continuously attacked - leave, call the cops, or destroy the f*cker! If you maim him, he'll know his only comeback is to kill you. And make it clear to him that if he fails you'll burn his house down with his mother inside... i could go on but as an action and horror writer i'd probably get banned!

Good luck!

Naos

ahem.

Colm_OReilly

ActionMan,

I'm presuming you're earnest in your reply on this thread, so I'm answering in earnest here.

find a nice little vantage point outta the way

Is that a healthy attitude? Investing so much time and effort spying on people who may have no deire to fight you just so you can learn their secret moves. Wouldn't that time be better spent taking your dog for a walk, going to a movie, or enjoying the time you have with friends and family?

if you are training in martial arts pay close attention to the banned moves! often they are dangerous and can be used swiftly and in confined places.

That's akin to engaging in the Ninja fantasy that's been discussed on another thread. A warning to anyone, stay away from MA's where there are secret moves or advanced black belt stealth moves. When in a fight (be it in competition or the DREADED STREET) you will fall back on the most basic moves, and those in which you have the most confidence. The only think you'll try to do, and be able to do, is that which you've practiced time and time again in the gym/club/dojo.

fast repetitive punches drawing your knuckles over the eye socket and nose will cause some blood gushing damage and stop most people

A. Not going to look good if the Guards show up
B. High probability of you breaking your hand
C. What if the guy has a higher pain tolerance than you and continues to advance - grabbing onto you for example?
D. What if he punches back and you've a glass jaw?

breakin knees and **** is always an option but like i said it will probably attract more violence and your subsequent departure from the area!

The last option. And it probably will call for more trouble. And exactly how is he going to break someone's knee?

The real secret is to avoid dodgy areas, and if thats not an option dont travel alone. a 20euro taxi's way more fun than a free ambulance!

Excellent advise.

If you're bein continuously attacked - leave

Agreed. Again some people may not see it as an option but there is nothing, anyway, that ties you to a location. You don't have to live in fear. A note to chrismon: I'm not implying that you are living in fear, I'm making more of a general statement to anyone who might find themselves in these circumstances.

destroy the f*cker! If you maim him, he'll know his only comeback is to kill you. And make it clear to him that if he fails you'll burn his house down with his mother inside...

That is NOT a good strategy. I think you know why. Maybe the problem could be avoided by talking to the individual, or at least by eliminating your hostilities against him.

ActionMan,

Where did you train? With whom?

Colm

Dyr

ActionMan wrote:

And make it clear to him that if he fails you'll burn his house down with his mother inside...
Good luck!

you must do pikeydo lol

ActionMan

Colm_OReilly wrote:

I'm presuming you're earnest

Yes, I'm in earnest. I admit some of it is unadvised but one should always be aware of all options!

Firstly: Spying is an ugly word! However the name is irrelevant. I am merely stating that a clear knowledge of how successful aggressors operate is a good foundation.

Secondly: No Ninja fantasy here. Even in the most basic of martial arts are a number of potentially lethal moves which have been disallowed for competitive training. The Arts were initially designed for combat to the death, however as we no longer use them in war its not the kind of thing you pick up down your local dojo. There are plenty of books however which detail these moves!

Thirdly: No fighting is good if the Guards show up! Glass jaws and hands i cant help with. And as for pain thresholds? Nothin I can do their either! With regard grapples however, its important to remember the huge number of highly vulnerable areas of the body. This again leads to higher stakes however and you may be better off with some bruised ribs and no wallet. Although as the news has often shown there are an increasing number of thugs unwilling to settle for givin you a hidin and leggin it! You never know what their plannin, and havin been stopped at knifepoint before being politely asked to show my phone (to verify that i hadn't stolen it from this dudes mate!) I'm not convinced anyone wants to lie down and hope they stop soon! Also on grapples... there are a number of ground fighting arts which are definitely of benefit to anyone living in fear of attack. (Again not implying that anyone her is.)

Fourthly: Breakin knees is easy. But its not the kind of thing to be written about on open forums!

Lastly: I say again RUN. If only because your attacker may have read this and paid more attention to me than the more level-headed among us!

So you all know; i'm a pacifist! Trained in various arts - Including Acting! You know everyone gets up again off-screen!

(RIP Brandon Lee)

Colm_OReilly

ActionMan,

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Spying is an ugly word! However the name is irrelevant. I am merely stating that a clear knowledge of how successful aggressors operate is a good foundation.

Still, is it a healthy mindset to be in? Is it a positive use of your time?

Even in the most basic of martial arts are a number of potentially lethal moves which have been disallowed for competitive training.

Any technique, which is not practiced in as close to a real life situation as possible (limits on options, timing, movement, resistance of partner) will not become a viable skill. Also, ignoring the moral and legal consequences, do you really want to practice those types of things? Anybody who *needs* the protection of "secret death moves" has insecurity issues that need to be addressed.

Although as the news has often shown there are an increasing number of thugs unwilling to settle for givin you a hidin and leggin it!

The news is not objective fact, nor has it ever been. It is a subjective view and also, a telivision program. As a television program it has to have an element of sensationalism in order to maintain ratings. It does not give an accurate picture of society.

Breakin knees is easy. But its not the kind of thing to be written about on open forums!

It's not actually. As someone who studies sports science I can tell you the ankle is a structure far more vulnerable to injury than the knee. Although many ligaments in the knee can get damaged, "breaking" the knee (i.e. snapping the joint, or breaking the thigh bone, kneecap or shin bones in order to incapacitate someone) isn't easy. People can still continue, given the adrenaline rush, with extensive ligament damage. They'll feel it later of course.

There are essentially three ways of ending an unarmed conflict. Head trauma: knocking a guy out or hitting him enough to make him punch drunk. Disabling of a major limb: elbow, shoulder, ankle (I've disincluded the knee due to it's support structure). Choking/Strangling: Everybody, regardless of the drugs in their system and pain tolerance, will pass out if you stop the blood supply to the brain or air supply to the lungs. It's also the most humane way of ending a fight.

i'm a pacifist!

Your previous comments don't support this.

Take Care,
Colm

ActionMan

Colm,

You're fast with them replies!

Just to clarify:

No violence is good violence. Martial Arts are great for fitness (flexibility, strength & endurance) and for discipline. To win in competition takes a lot of training to become competent in the techniques and mindset. However in this day and age, when fighting outside of competitions there are no rules or refs to call a halt. Very few muggings are so that the aggressor can show off his superior combat skills. They rarely attack anyone likely to be able to fend them off. They attack fast, often by surprise, and are not looking to have a bout to decide the victor. They will hit your vulnerable points, they will not wast time hitting you anywhere that isn't likely to take you down immediately! If they punch you in the face its because they think that'll be enough to scare you into submission. While hitting you they'll more than likely keep a continual forward motion, pushing you backward and probably (hopefully in their case!) knocking you to the ground. Once there they will kick tar out of you until you either stop wriggling or between blows pass over your wallet, phone and anything else you may have of value. Street fights for pride and male dominance are childish, stupid and thankfully increasingly rare! Again in the words of Arthur Millar, "Never fight fair with strangers". If you know them, then you know what the stakes are, (bust ups with buddies are only pretend fights no matter how angry you both may be! How are you gonna feel buyin him a pint if he's gotta drink it through a straw to avoid hittin the glass of his mashed nose!), if you never met them before, get the hell outta there by whatever means possible. If you must engage them make it fast. If it lasts a second longer than 10 seconds either start praying (you're in trouble) or stop kicking (you've an anger management problem, and need help).

Peace

dabhal

columok wrote:

Cardio and strength (and maybe some Combo work) but you need a resisting partner to develop actual fighting skills. Punchbags dont hit back.


You wont get awareness from hitting a bag on your own...


Chrismon- Join a boxing club! Pure and simple. Thatll teach you to fight, make you fit, youll be happier, stronger and youll probably make a lot of new friends...


Colum

Hey no fair, I love to way you edited the quotes, any chance you might read the sentence before the quote you used.
I was only making the point that Yes you can make yourself a better fighter on your own(fitness, stamina, develop ability) but I also said that you still need a club/Partner to develop skill etc.

Dabhal

columok

I read it all.

You cant improve your ability/awareness/timing on your own. You can improve your attributes. You can make yourself a better athlete on your own. You cant make yourself a better fighter! You can hit a bag all day long- wont make you a better fighter!

dabhal

You won't improve much unless you improve your fitness levels and practice, practice, practice.
I would hold the opinion that the club is for application and testing not really physical training.
If you put the workin at home you can take better advantage of your partner/sparring etc
You don't agree?

columok

Cardio, flexibility and strength all help when added to a skill in a fight, in sparring or whatever. This is training yourself to be a better athlete! You wont become a better fighter (namely develop greater fighting skills) with this training but you will be better able to perform.

Developing skill on the other hand is training yourself to be a better fighter- namely by sparring.

We agree on this. But the alone training cannot be used to improve fighting skill and certainly wont improve your fighting agility and awareness like you said in that previous post. You need to be on the mats, in the ring or in the dojo with a resisting opponent to develop agility and awareness!

Cheers,

Colum

dabhal

If you can last longer and are able to perform better, be more flexable does that not make you a better fighter?
Saying that this thread has just become semantics

Colm_OReilly

Skill Training - Resisting Partner required.

Conditioning/Cardio - NO partner necessary.

Components of a good fighter - Forward Pressure (think of this as aggression, though I've issues with the word), Conditioning, Skill, and intelligence.

chrismon

didnt no this thread was still goin on!
oh and by the way i got it sorted.
Havnt taken up a martial art,just stayin out of trouble and dodgy area's.
Want to take up a MA soon tho,but im workin all the time :mad: