Lack of Naval and S.A.R assets

thejollyrodger

having seen the canadian submarine on the telly it just highlights the major problem in this country. That is that we dont have any long range S.A.R (Search and Rescue) helicopters and dont have enough ships to patrol and deal with rescue operations.

Thankfully the English were about and basically carried out the entire operation for us, including the cost !

What does everyone think about this, should the government spend more money on navy ships, S.A.R helicopters tug boats and things like that or is the status quo ok ?

Personally I think the government should be able to provide long range SAR at least. Also a few extra ships wouldnt go amiss in the navy and the country can afford it now.

parsi

But didn't the english sell the Canadians the sub so they had to provide roadside rescue for them as part of the warranty...?

(facetious, I know..)

Sand

Disband the military that we dont need and costs us billions in claims, pour the savings made into creating a well funded and supported SAR service/fisheries protection and Garda force that we *do* need.

Solved one problem, army claims, and solved two other problems in doing so, crap SAR service and crap police force.

You had to laugh that the ship the Irish Navy did send to the rescue almost became a victim in need of rescue themselves. Their hull got holed in the bad weather and they had to return to port for repairs. Laughable.

Thank god the British are still in NI, at least we can rely on them for SAR.

thejollyrodger

It seems as though we have quite a large SAR range to cover



I think the English may have sold some dodgy gear to the candians. Second hand military gear can be good value or extremely dodgy. Another lesson for the Irish government. I.E dont buy second hand stuff.

The English were providing SAR because we cant

giftgrub

six one just had an expert on...he said the brits built the subs at a cost of over a billion sterling...the canadians got them on a lease to buy deal for about 225 million

the canadians pulled out all the uk equipment and replaced it with american stuff...so there could be teething problems

whats it all aboot?

thejollyrodger

You had to laugh that the ship the Irish Navy did send to the rescue almost became a victim in need of rescue themselves. Their hull got holed in the bad weather and they had to return to port for repairs. Laughable.

Thats is so funny !!

magick

aye, i hard that Canada bought 4 of those subs and the 4 have had constant technical problems,what used car dealer with big smile did they employ to sell those faulty goods to Canada?

Nuttzz

Sand wrote:

You had to laugh that the ship the Irish Navy did send to the rescue almost became a victim in need of rescue themselves. Their hull got holed in the bad weather and they had to return to port for repairs. Laughable.

Not if Irish lads lost their lives, anyway the ship they sent was bought from (drum roll please) the british navy........

thejollyrodger

are you sure about that? i thought it was the rosin that had problems and they didnt buy it off the English, it was built brand new from some scandavnica country

delly

I know that the Dauphin's had a very short range, but I thought that the Sikorsky helicopters were long range. A sea king is what you need, that or a VLR black hawk.

Nuttzz

my bad

They did buy the Roisin off the brits new,

http://defence-data.com/dsei/pageds1049.htm

thejollyrodger

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L.E. Roisin Roisin's Crest

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Beam (metres) 14m
Draught (metres) 3.80m
Displacement (tonnes) 1,500t
Speed (knots) 23kts
Endurance at 15kts 6,000nm
Complement 44 (6 Officers and 38 Ratings)
Main Machinery 2xTwin 16cyl V26 WARTSILA 26 Medium Speed Diesel giving 5000kW at 1000rpm, 2 xShaft
Weapons 1x76mm OTO Melara Cannon, 2x1.27mm HMG and 4x7.62mm GPMG
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Hagar

Sand wrote:

You had to laugh that the ship the Irish Navy did send to the rescue almost became a victim in need of rescue themselves. Their hull got holed in the bad weather and they had to return to port for repairs.

What happened did they hit a hard wave or a floating rock? Or is the piece of junk falling to bits every time they go out in choppy seas ? God help us.

Parsi wrote:

But didn't the english sell the Canadians the sub so they had to provide roadside rescue for them as part of the warranty...?

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

bizmark

Hagar wrote:

What happened did they hit a hard wave or a floating rock? Or is the piece of junk falling to bits every time they go out in choppy seas ? God help us.

Think i read on the local newpaper that the ship was hit by a "freak wave" make of that as you wish

kleefarr

magick wrote:

aye, i hard that Canada bought 4 of those subs and the 4 have had constant technical problems,what used car dealer with big smile did they employ to sell those faulty goods to Canada?

Lol... I think it's because they took out the stuff that would probably work and put the American stuff in. You know what american cars are like don't you?

jackofalltrades

Irish SAR operations are provided by CHC Ireland ltd.

http://www.chc.ca/europe_ireland.php

They seem to do a good job at it, so I don't really see the need for the Irish government to invest in a load of long range helicopters.

The English were providing SAR because we cant

The British provided SAR to the stricken submarine because it was inside their SAR region and not the Irish one.

Hagar

jackofalltrades wrote:

Irish SAR operations are provided by CHC Ireland ltd.

What does CHC stand for ? Are they associated with Celtic Helicopters (young master Haughey) perhaps?

The British provided SAR to the stricken submarine because it was inside their SAR region and not the Irish one.

Were there any security considererations? Would they like anyone else clambering over their ex-subs?
That wouldn't be because of a little island they claim? Rockall ?

Nuttzz

Hagar wrote:

What does CHC stand for ? Are they associated with Celtic Helicopters (young master Haughey) perhaps?

Ironically they are Canadian (Canadian Helicopter Corp)

Wrestlemania

Sand your nautical experience astounds me.

What actually do you know about the Navy, have you every served at sea..methinks not.

The guys in the navy do an A1 job with limited resources and your comments are without fact and truth.

Before you make such disgusting comments as such check them out or keep them to yourself.

I did my time on Eithne and Aoife and we did a hard job and to the best of our abilities.

We are a Naval Service and not a War time or Nato Navy

Wrestlemania

Nuttzz wrote:

my bad

They did buy the Roisin off the brits new,

http://defence-data.com/dsei/pageds1049.htm

The Roisin was part built in Verlome here and in the UK, I was on the sea trails crew for it.

We bought the Ciara and Orla of them both Royal navy Peacocks

bonkey

Wrestlemania wrote:

The guys in the navy do an A1 job with limited resources and your comments are without fact and truth.

Sand said we have an underfunded SAR facility, which we could improve by reducing costs by scrapping another area and transferring the funding.

Exactly what part of that is without fact? (Bear in mind that you've acknowledged there are limited resources, which would seem to back up the assertion that its underfunded.)

Before you make such disgusting comments as such check them out or keep them to yourself.

Why don't you explain what was disgusting, and why, rather than just engaging in more of this "you're wrong cause I say so, but I won't explain why" rubbish that you seem quite fond of issuing whenever any military area you've had a connection with comes in for criticism of any sort???

I did my time on Eithne and Aoife and we did a hard job and to the best of our abilities.

Which would seem to back up Sand's assertion that the problem is that the service we have is underfunded, not contradict it. It doesn't matter if every single member of our Naval service does a super-human job. The service is still so woefully underfunded that it cannot do its job properly.

That is not a reflection on the efforts of those involved...it is a simple reality.

I mean...if I were to say that the Irish educational system has gone to the dogs because its underfunded, would you assume what I'm actually saying is that the teachers in the system are not doing their best and are crap?

Thats the same conclusion you've drawn about Sand's comments, and to put it bluntly....you're smack bang out of order.

jc