Luas and bus link-ups

Victor

Looking at the luas website and some maps, I noticed that there are actually some suburban services that link up the Red and Green lines, e.g. the 75 and 19. There are also quite a few routes that, with minor amendment, could provide some very nice links, like the 16/A if extended to Dundrum station.

I'm working on revising the list from the luas site, which isn't very "intergrated". Comments welcome.

http://www.luas.ie/document/index.asp?head=5

Bus connections 
Green Line Route numbers 
Sandyford  5, 11, 46B, 75, 114, 115, 116 
Stillorgan  5, 11, 46B, 75, 114, 115, 116 
Kilmacud   
Balally  44, 44B-C, 116 
Dundrum  44, 44B-C, 48A, 75, 86, 116 
Windy Arbour  14A 
Milltown  14A, 44, 44B-C, 48A, 86 
Cowper   
Beechwood  13B 
Ranelagh  18, 44, 44B-C, 48A, 86 
Charlemont  44, 44B-C, 48A, 86 
Harcourt  14, 14A, 15, 15A-B, 16 16A, 44, 44B-C, 48A, 49, 49A, 86, 112 
St Stephen's Green 10,10A, 11, 11A-B, 13B, 14, 14A, 15, 15A-B, 44, 44B-C, 48A, 91 

  
Red Line Route numbers 
Tallaght  49,49A,50,50X,54A,56A,65,65B,65X,75,76,76A,76B,77,77A,201,202. 
Hospital  201,202 
Cookstown  56A 
Belgard  49A,76,76A,76B. 
Kingswood  56A,202 
Red Cow  51,51B,51C,51X,68,69,69X,210 
Kylemore  51,51B,51C,51X,68,69,69X,210 
Bluebell  18,51,51B,51C,51X,68,69,69X, 
Blackhorse  51,51B,51C,51X,68,69,69X, 
Drimnagh  123 
Goldenbridge  123 
Suir Road  123 
Rialto  19,17 
Fatima  None Available 
James's  51B,78A,123,206 
Heuston  78,79,90,90A,91,74B 
Museum  25,25A,25X,26,39,39A,66,66A,66B,66X,67,67A,67X,68,69,78. 
Smithfield  39,39A,37,70 
Four Courts  25,25A,25X,26,39,39A,66,66A,66B,66X,67,67A,67X,68,69,78,83. 
Jervis  None Available 
Abbey St  1,2,3,5,7,7A,7B,7D,10,10A,11,11A,11B,13,13A,16,16A,19,19A,46A,38,38(A,B,C),121,122,123,746,747. 
Busarus  20B,27(B,C),29A,31,31(A,B),32,32(A,B),33,41,41A,41B,41C,53,53A,90,90A,130,747,748. 
Connolly 90,90A,747,748.

raphaelS

Victor wrote:

Looking at the luas website and some maps, I noticed that there are actually some suburban services that link up the Red and Green lines, e.g. the 75 and 19. ...

The frequency of the buses going to Sandyford (75, 114,...) are ridiculous... They should do something about it...
For the 75, they are leaving Dun Laoghaire at 6.50, 7.25, 8.15, 8.50 and 9.30!
The 114, from Blackrock 7.10, 7.38. 8.05, 8.30, 9.00 and 9.30!
Roughly a bus every 30 minutes...

They should create a new line from Dun loaghaire to Sandyford with a maximum of 10 minutes between each buses, maybe less if they are using these small buses...

Raphael

daymobrew

I'm working on revising the list from the luas site, which isn't very "intergrated".

When you say 'working on', what exactly are you doing?

I wrote to Luas Customer Service in early July (or even June) about typos on the site, and other issues. I suggested that they provide direct links to Dublin Bus route pages.
I also suggested linking each station name to info about the station e.g. map (we don't all know exactly where each station is), facilities at station, nearby attractions/shops etc).

I put my suggestions on a web site and I can see that no one has visited the site.
I rang about a month ago and was told that the letter was forwarded to the web site developer shortly after it was received.
I plan to write again to ask about progress.

vinnyfitz

Excellent idea daymobrew.
I suggest when you write again you formally copy the letter to the relevant official in the Department of Transport.
I think that this is a guy called Tom Ferris - he is responsible for QBC strategy and related issues at any rate. (A quick phone call to the Dept would clarify who you should write to anyway.)

I suspect that way you will get a quicker answer from Luas and maybe catch the imagination of the Dept.

fletch

raphaelS wrote:

The frequency of the buses going to Sandyford (75, 114,...) are ridiculous... They should do something about it...

Yeh do Dublin Bus not realise the potential, Sandyford Ind Est is huge. Most of the (big) companies in there have been forced to organise private bus services to Blackrock Dart Station at rush hour because the bus service is almost non-existent.

John R

fletch wrote:

Yeh do Dublin Bus not realise the potential, Sandyford Ind Est is huge. Most of the (big) companies in there have been forced to organise private bus services to Blackrock Dart Station at rush hour because the bus service is almost non-existent.

Are these services well used now that the luas is running?

dmeehan

has that bus lane from whites cross to the industrial estate been "officially" put in use?

the last few times i have driven along that road there was a load of "Bus Lane not is use" signs along the road

narommy

I've just had a novel idea. How bout Connex having the initiative to run a bus from the red line to the green one for Luas ticket holders.

Abbey Street to Harcourt and Harcourt to Rialto. Would be great.

stiofanD

dmeehan wrote:

has that bus lane from whites cross to the industrial estate been "officially" put in use?

the last few times i have driven along that road there was a load of "Bus Lane not is use" signs along the road

No, the bus lane is still 'not in use' - God knows why they've put it in at all.

As someone who's worked in Sandyford for nearly 9 years, I can testify to it being incredibly badly served by public transport.

sliabh

stiofanD wrote:

As someone who's worked in Sandyford for nearly 9 years, I can testify to it being incredibly badly served by public transport.

But didn't they just build a several hundred million euro Luas line in there for you.

Some people are just never happy!

stiofanD

sliabh wrote:

But didn't they just build a several hundred million euro Luas line in there for you.

Some people are just never happy!

Yes, I know...and as I crawl out of Sandyford every evening watching the gleaming Luas trams go by, I really wish I could afford to live somewhere along the Luas line.*Sigh*

Unfortunately there's a ton of people working here who live in other parts of south Dublin, which can only be accessed by public transport by either going into town and out again or using one of the totally inadequate 'cross-city' buses (e.g. 75, 116, 114)

And while am at it can anyone explain to me the logic behind a bus route as long as the one the 75 travels. It makes the timetable a complete work of fiction unless you are actually getting it in Tallaght or Dun Laoghaire.

Third_Echelon

For anyone who is on the red line to tallaght and works in CityWest, there is a feeder bus to and from the square in tallagh to citywest in the morning and afternoon.

Its run by a private company... €1 one way...

Tallaght - Citywest
7.15 a.m.
7.45 a.m.
8.15 a.m.
8.30 a.m.
8.45 a.m.
9.00 a.m.
9.30 a.m.

Citywest - Tallaght
16.30
16.45
17.00
17.20
17.30
18.00

Victor

daymobrew wrote:

When you say 'working on', what exactly are you doing?

Purely as a hobbyist saying to myself "'ere, thats not right".

Just comparing www.luas.ie to www.dublinbus.ie and map indicates Luas misses about 30% of busses.

digiman

How long would it take for the feeder bus to go from tallaght to citywest. I need to be in work at 8am.

antoinolachtnai

There is no real policy for public transport information in the Dublin area, is there? I mean, who's supposed to be in charge of it?

It's obviously a good idea to have a better list for Luas connections and so make the whole thing a little bit more transparent, but it really needs a more strategic, centralised view.

As an example, on your list you mention the 5 bus. Realistically, the frequency of this bus is so low as to make it practically useless for anyone who needs to make connections. Listing this bus as 'connecting' with the Luas is creating the impression that there is a service there, when there basically isn't. Much the same goes for the 86, 115 and 116.

The on-line DB timetable says there is no such route as the 112. Perhaps it is one of the special simulated buses operated by BE?

I know that you are concentrating on urban/suburban, but surely it is worth at least mentioning the aircoach connections and the connections with services to further afield (obviously the BE services, but also other relevant services, such as the St. Kevin's service to Roundwood)?

jlang

Regarding 'that bus lane' I expect that it's been postponed until the M50 is finished.Until then, that stretch of the Leopardstown Road is in effect carrying all the traffic that would prefer to stay on the motorway. When it opens, they'll probably redraw the lines on the Leopardstown Road to undo the recent changes and then open the bus lane.

Victor

antoinolachtnai wrote:

The on-line DB timetable says there is no such route as the 112. Perhaps it is one of the special simulated buses operated by BE?

Oops, their error, I think it's meant to be the 122.

mobpd

am i right in thinking that there are NO buses that actually go into the Red Cow Luas terminus to pick up / drop off? On the Luas the automatic message says 'connect here for Dublin bus and Bus Eireann' but where exactly is the nearest bus stop?

John R

On the Naas road.

mobpd

John R wrote:

On the Naas road.

For Bus Eireann does that mean the stop after Newlands Cross ? If so, that is a fair hike from Red Cow - and you'd need to cross the Nass Road twice to get to it?

enterprise

In the great scheme of Irish Intergration you will notice that there is "bus stops" next to the tram stop at the Red Cow Tram stop.

The only problem is - no buses serve them, therefore it can hardly be called a "transport interchange". I believe the problem lies firmly at the DoT as DB and BE have to apply to Kildare Street for route changes, schedule changes etc.