Wellington Quay Bus Stop

fitz

It was with much disgust that I realised, while travelling home on a 67 bus, that since they relocated the terminus for the 66/67/25 buses, the Wellington Quay bus-stop that was the site of the dreadful event in which several lost their lives, is now back in use.

Shame on Dublin Bus for inviting the same to happen again.

Dub13

Its my understanding that any new Bus stop has to be cleared by the Guards,I would like to no who made the decision

lampsie

I think the problem with that stop originally was that the 25's and the 66's/67's etc. were all stopping there, which obviously amounted to a farcical amount of people and buses crammed into a small area.

As I understand the stop now, only the 66's/67's stop there now, and the 25's are stopping further up.

I agree tho, I was surprised to see it reopened

lampsie

BrianD

Apart from the tragic incident that took place there, it would appear that there is nothing defective with the stop itself. Therefore, there is no reason why it should not be back in use.

spudulike

From what I can see all 6x and 2x buses stop at the old wellington quay stop. The only difference is that it is not their initial starting point so we shouldn't see queue's of busses piling up there. The bus will arrive, pick up passengers and take off straight away - no hanging around.

Does anyone else have a problem with the new terminus? At rush hour it takes huge amount of time to go from the Pearse st stop to the top of westmoreland st. It's rediculous.... is it this way to stay???

fitz

Well, it'd make more sense to have the bus go up dame street and turn on to the quays at Christchurch imo.

voxpop

what was wrong with these buses starting from wood quay outside the corpo offices. Seemed like a good place to me. Loads of space, even steps to sit on.

gibo_ie

what about the new stops on O'Connell St outside Pennys??!!!
Now there is only one lane north usable and i can see when buses will block this also to drop off and pick up. How can this be safe???

John R

Angry_Penguin wrote:

what was wrong with these buses starting from wood quay outside the corpo offices. Seemed like a good place to me. Loads of space, even steps to sit on.

It was very unpopular. Too far from the city centre for alot of people.

They should leave via Dame St. It is much quicker than trying to get onto Aston Quay in the evenings.

John R

gibo_ie wrote:

what about the new stops on O'Connell St outside Pennys??!!!
Now there is only one lane north usable and i can see when buses will block this also to drop off and pick up. How can this be safe???

There are two lanes there. The bus stops have been moved from lower down because of the roadworks.
It isn't particularly safe. The only safe thing in this city would be to not stop at all. Providing space for public transport is extremely low on the list of priorities in Dublin so expecting any proper safe spaces is a waste of time. DCC would rather give space over to pay and display parking than safe bus stops.

John R

fitz wrote:

It was with much disgust that I realised, while travelling home on a 67 bus, that since they relocated the terminus for the 66/67/25 buses, the Wellington Quay bus-stop that was the site of the dreadful event in which several lost their lives, is now back in use.

Shame on Dublin Bus for inviting the same to happen again.

May I applaud your tabloid attitude fitz.
You have successfully taken something of a non-event and twisted it into some kind of emotionally charged scandal. I suggest you forward this post to the sun as an attachment to a job application. Their most experienced sh!t stirrers would be proud of it.


The truth is there is nothing about this location that makes it more dangerous than lots of other bus stops throughout the city.

fitz

John R wrote:

that makes it more dangerous than lots of other bus stops throughout the city.

So because it's not MORE dangerous, it should be used?
It now provides a stop where buses approach at higher speeds than they did when it was a terminus.

It shows a complete lack of respect for a singularly tragic even that should never have happened if Dublin Bus had not been so negligent of the safety concerns of the site in the first place.
Concerns that were raised by their own drivers.

I was genuinely disgusted when the bus pulled in to a stop at which people had lost their lives not six months before. If you think that's being tabloidist, I think you're being insensitive. You keep your opinion, I'll keep mine.

angeldelight

66/67a are buses I use and I have to say I don't see a problem with using that bus stop. What happened was terrible...it was an unfortunate accident, but that accident could have happened at many bus stops. Dublin Bus moved the stop further up the quays and people complained cause they didn't feel safe being isolated etc. You can't please everyone and I think now that it's not a terminus and only a normal stop where you won't have the same crowds and wont have lots of buses parked it's safer. Also it'll probably be the safest bus stop for years now that drivers and passengers know about the tragedy. Nobody wants a repeat of it so everybody will be extra vigilant.

HelterSkelter

fitz wrote:

It was with much disgust that I realised...the Wellington Quay bus-stop that was the site of the dreadful event in which several lost their lives, is now back in use.

I don't see a problem with this. Why should they not use it again? If someone is killed in a road trafic accident should that road should never be used again???

Shame on Dublin Bus for inviting the same to happen again.

Why is it any more likely to happen at that bus stop than any other in the city? From reading the media it sounds like the bus accelerated up onto the pavement (the driver accidentaly pushed the accelerator pedal????) and the people couldn't get out of the way in time. The same thing could easily happen on Aston Quay, Eden Quay, O'Connell street or almost any other bus stop I can think of. I think you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.

Metrobest

I think the Nassau Street stops have to rank as some of the most dangerous in Dublin. Tiny pavement, too many people, too many buses pulling in and out. Either a cyclist will be hit or a bus will plough into the crowds.

jlang

You may not be aware that the Council just spent several months widening the footpath along Nassau St for that very reason. Things are much improved. The work was likely prompted by the Wellington Quay incident although the chance of such a thing happening at Nassua St was much less as no busses have their terminus there and the danger was more of someone being hit while walking on the road (to avoid the crowds at the busstops)

Metrobest

No, I wasn't aware.. That's a relief. I always thought that footpath was too crowded and an accident was waiting to happen.

fitz

There are more people waiting at that stop for buses than at the new terminus. Next time you pass the place, check the lighting and width of the path and wait to see how quickly the buses approach the stop.
See how safe you reckon it is.

anthonymcg

I really don't see why they aren't using either the stop at the Viking Boat or the one in front of city council instead of wellington quay. There's a load of people now waiting at the Merchants Quay stop and thats worse as that has the 3* and 70 buses plus the 66/67/25 routes. Completely ridiculous.

nlgbbbblth

HelterSkelter wrote:

If someone is killed in a road trafic accident should that road should never be used again???

no it should not be used again

Bee

lampsie wrote:

I think the problem with that stop originally was that the 25's and the 66's/67's etc. were all stopping there, which obviously amounted to a farcical amount of people and buses crammed into a small area.

I agree tho, I was surprised to see it reopened

lampsie

Why be surprised? You just have to look at the other idiotic things that were allowed in Dublin city centre and how the powers that be got away with it. In other countries people would have resigned and class action suits would have happened but good old Eire, Ya gotta be kiddin'!

O'Connell Br/Aston Quay junction was narrowed. widen/narrowed and despite the Coroners Court making a recommendation to the relevant folk in DCC (I cant mention the relevant folk responsible that should have resigned as I will be banned by the imoderator!) flip all was done until further fatal/ serious accidents. Needless to say following the outcry they called in the taxpayer fleecing consultants that produced a report that has never been enacted upon.

Now we have had a bunch of deaths at this re-opened stop...I expect there will be more at this stop . DCC (I cant mention the relevant dept. etc etc ) has stupidly increased traffic congestion on the Quays by blocking cars travelling via Pearse St to College Green. The result is that we have triple parked private cars owned by the Gardai along with Dublin Bus mis-using the street as a Bus terminus. DCC has been directly responsible for this. The result is more accidents to pedestrians and cyclists along here due to busses parked all over the road blocking entrances and exits etc.

Bee

P.S. Around the Trinity side of College Green the stop here is lethal due to footpath overcrowding. Something must be done before there is a fatality

BrianD

You raise some interesting points here Bee not least the City Councils inability to clamp private cars owned by Gardai that are illegally parked. Why should they not have to pay the €2.50 per hour I pay?

However, it is important to note that the tragedy on Wellington Quay had nothing to do with over crowding at the bus stop. I am not aware of any fatality or injury at a bus stop that resulted from over crowding or regular bus movements.

sliabh

BrianD wrote:

regular bus movements.

Are those the ones you get when the bus has been eating loads of fibre and roughage?

Victor

Bee wrote:

P.S. Around the Trinity side of College Green the stop here is lethal due to footpath overcrowding. Something must be done before there is a fatality

Do you mean opposite the hotel or around by Suffolk Street?

PS A special dispensation not be given to Bee on this thread as none is needed.