Crop Circles

keu

something I could never get my head around....



For the most part, I don't credit humans have the ability to do this..although there are exceptions to the rule (some pretty crap attempts have been made by hoaxers, but the standards just don't make it)
I can't comprehend the "Alien" suggestings either.
I dunno what they are tbh, regardless..they are pretty amazing features and I could look at them all day.



here's one for Zelda fans


hope this images don't come up all huge on the post...

more/thousands of crop circles here

dangerman

I love crop circles. It must be a great laugh making them.

Check all these ones out: [the top crop circles of 2004.]

http://www.circlemakers.org/totc2004.html

keu

I watched a few docus on making crop circles..and I have to admit..what they produced were utter crap..really bad attempts, I have no doubt that many are attempted every year, but you can always spot the ones that are "hand made".
Besides, most of them appear overnight, without traces of human interference (footprints etc..)

stevenmu

keu wrote:

I watched a few docus on making crop circles..

Such as the one on sci-fi last night ?

There was one on discovery last week and it was pretty interesting. A bunch of undergrads and postgrads from MIT set out to make their own one. They just about managed to make one with the various tell-tales of a "genuine" crop circle, but it nowhere near the complexity of some of ones they showed (or that you posted above).

They also mentioned spiritual groups who go openly about making them as part of a ritual. Something to do with focusing energies and creating positive energy and stuff. Some scientists decided to follow their methods and see what happened. They made one with negative energies, thinking of hate, anger and violence as they were doing it. They measured it for EMFs (can't seem to get away from them these days ) and found nothing. They then made one for the "benefit of mankind" with love and caring and stuff and they measured strong EMFs around the circle afterwards. Apparently there's traditions of doing this going back thousands of years, altough it's not clear if they were inspired by crop circles or not, there's evidence of crop circles of unknown origins going back thousands of years too.

Not sure what the sci-fi channel showed last night but Discovery showed some pretty weird things happening around crop circles. They had footage of a helicopter which had shut down while flying over a crop circle with a camera man and examples of various types of electrical equiptment failing. Some of the tell tales of "genuine" crop circles are tiny balls of iron scattered around the circle (which MIT simulated with a load of iron powder and explosives) and protrusions in the stalks of whichever crop the circle is in (MIT used a mirowave gun to heat the stalks to get this effect). Similar things have been seen at sites where UFOs reportedly landed.

There's also bee similar patterns found in snow, ice and sand so they're not just limited to crops. Wherever they come from they look pretty cool, I'd love to go and visit one. Anyone know if we ever get any around here ?

keu

oh.good question, I'd love to go see one too. Do we have them in Ireland?

(and noo, don't have sci-fi so didn't get to see the docu )

keu

can just see the lads out with the flymo making this one though lol

stevenmu

keu wrote:

(and noo, don't have sci-fi so didn't get to see the docu )

I didn't actually watch it either, some guy was trying to give his explanation of them and was making such a mess of it so I just switched over.

keu wrote:

oh.good question, I'd love to go see one too. Do we have them in Ireland?

I can find reference to them having been found here in the 90's but that's literally it, no info on exactly where or when.

Possible project for when (or should that be if) the weather gets good again ?

keu

definately..
found an Irish link withfone numbers and e-mail might be handy for getting info.

Saruman

keu wrote:

For the most part, I don't credit humans have the ability to do this..although there are exceptions to the rule (some pretty crap attempts have been made by hoaxers, but the standards just don't make it)

I dont think you give people enough credit!! Just think about the amazing things we puny humans have dont that dwarf crop circles!! I have seen many docs too and in some of them when they were re-created, they made VERY complex designs. It would take a lot of planning etc but it can be done.

keu

ah maybe I don't, but based on the ones I've seen that are man made they just don't have the same quality as the ones of unknown origins.
I'm not suggesting its aliens (god forbid)..but I always found them akin to snowflakes, something nature produces, the intricacy of the designs just blow me away and no... I just can't credit humanity with creating something so beautiful..

there are particular peculiarities associated with crop circles too, some steve mentioned above and which cannot be explained away easily..

1 - bursts of powerful microwave heat producing bent but unbroken stalks
2 - vast (cooling) water-drainage from underground, cracked earth occasionally, chalk-bed may become visible
3 - unusual silicon chrystal powder deposits may lie strewn about
4 - microscopic meteoric magnetite granules in the soil
5 - changes in nitrate/nitrogen ratios
6 - wider range of background electromag. radiation
7 - simpler energy sub-formations felt and measured, often strongest at a circle's center or edges
8 - camera/battery, mobile phone, watches' failure in circles sometimes, compass deflections occasionally
9 - electrical/motor instruments far overhead may be affected
10 - time-and-space dilation effects documented on photographs and by stop-watches

I might credit mother nature for such creations, (natural and geophysical effects)but man..hell no.

(I do believe people have and do try to copy them, out of the thousands that are shown on the links above I would think that maybe 30% are human attempts, but they just can't match mother nature)

woosaysdan

these things are amazing alright but imo they will remain one of these great unsolved mysteries!!!

SkepticOne

keu wrote:

ah maybe I don't, but based on the ones I've seen that are man made they just don't have the same quality as the ones of unknown origins.
I'm not suggesting its aliens (god forbid)..but I always found them akin to snowflakes, something nature produces, the intricacy of the designs just blow me away and no... I just can't credit humanity with creating something so beautiful..

keu

lol..I just find that funny...definately a flymo job.

SkepticOne

I'm curious though. Although this is a funny one, it certainly involved a fair bit of sophistication. My guess would be a computer generated picture of the alien with lines narrowing or widening according to the lightness or darkness of that part of the picture. It would have involved accurately copying difficult design from paper onto a large area of field.