ONLY IF YOU HAVE SEEN AMERICAN PSYCHO

Pretence

Right, from what I can make out the whole killing spree was a figment of his paranoid, deranged head.....none of it really happened.

He sits in his office all day totally engrossed in his journal drawing pictures of all the murders and playing them out in his head. In fact reality is almost gone.

I think that chainsaw incident could have been played just before he breaks it off with his girlfriend. You see him drawing the incident that had just happened in the scene previous.

Yes the more I think about it the more it make sense.

As to the point of the film apart from a sick black comedy I dunno.....................pointless violence wrapped in a twisted ending.

Hecate

all I know is that it was a witty, incisive jab at late 80's consumerism and elitism gone mad.

and it made me rupture myself

Pretence

Yeah the film has a number of good points.............still I dunno, not entirely satisfied

plastic membrane

The part i DO NOT get is the last scene where he's talking to his lawyer. His lawyer, for some unknown and never explained reason, suddenly calls him DAVIS, while the guys he hangs around with call him BATEMAN. What the hell is the story with that ?

Pretence

Yeah........that happens at least one other time................all in the head I tells ya... As far as I can tell.
Nice job if you can get it, doodling in a journal all day:/

whitetrash

the lawyer bit doesn't happen in his head, the guy just thought he was davis. it happened before with another guy, its a joke on how bateman always just wanted to fit in and he finds out that everyone thinks his is a "dork" and calls him so behind his back, and that he fits in so well some people cant tell him apart from the other guys

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Pretence

Excellant observation WWM. Yeah that makes sense, that kinda went over me in the film, it would help to explain his current persona, all bottled up.........

Pretence

Sorry WT

Originally posted by Pretence:
WWM

plastic membrane

Yeah, i was talking with someone at work last night and he came forward with that theory. It makes sense now.

(eerie music) Yes, its all coming together now.....HAHAHA!!

Adversary

I thought I'd never stop laughing when I saw that guy sitting on the chair in the middle of the newspaper. I did though.

I know I've seen that woman who played Christine(Crystal?) the prostitute who's killed with the chainsaw. Wasn't she the p0rn star Brianna Lee.

Don't ask me how I know the porn star Brianna Lee cos I can't remember

Pretence

Actually come to think of it I'd probably get more out of it if I saw it again......wait for video I think:/

whitetrash

wait for dvd u mean much better, get a real bassy sound on the chainsaw

Draco

I'd go along with the "It all happened in his head" thing.

As for why the lawyer called him Davis, everyone in the film seems to be incapable of differentiating between each other. Paul Allen thought he was some guy called Marcus.

Draco

LoLth

Yep, I'd go along with the 'in the head' thing.

Escort agencies keep tabs on who hires and where the girls are going etc. After the first one or two, it would have been pretty difficult to hire more (and from what he says, and from what we see at the apartment, there are at least three dead girls), there's the model that he decapitated and who a lot of people saw him leave the club with. Also, the detective was jumping between almost handing patrick an alibi and accusing him, neither of which are very policy things IMHO. Pretty much fits in with guilt/rationalising intruding on fantasy.

oooooh! now that I'm done sounding like I know stuff.. I'm off to play with stuff.

Pretence

I'd say the book would reveal a lot more.

I'd still be hesitant to recommend the film to anyone, tis a required taste me thinks.

whitetrash

i just started reading the book

Adversary

I've been looking everywhere for the damn book! Where did you put it! You're disgusting!

Pretence

Let us know what the book is like WT. Who wrote it btw??

TwoShedsJackson

Bret Easton Ellis. Haven't read it, but I did read his first book, Less Than Zero, which wasn't great.

whitetrash

i've read about halfway through it and he has only killed one person - the bum in the alley. the order of events is different from the very begining. i'll tell ya what i thought of it as soon as im finished

i bought it in the hmv on mary's street btw. they have loads and the talented Mr. ripley which i read a while ago and reccomend

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Kali

i've a new card.
oohhhhhhhh

Pretence

Cheers WT, nice one

whitetrash

finished reading the book and.... it doesnt really clear things up. its a great book thou, very disgusting in places. bateman is obviously delusional (a park bench follows him and talks to him) but it seems like he has committed at least a few of the murders, he is just.... a psycho

Shiminay

Right!
I'd been dying to add to this post (I didn't read it once cause I hadn't seen the film).

OK - Dav's theory on it...

Remember when he was having lunch with Willem Dafoe and Willem said he'd been at the bar with a group of people including Marcus. Well, that got me thinking...

Everyone seems to confuse him with someone - Paul though he was Marcus, the lawyer thought his name was Davis and so on. But, all those people thought he was Bateman - he even had the business card and the secretary.
So... I think he was this guy Bateman and that the lawyer was wrong. But, I also think that his imagination was playing with him for most of it.
I reckon that whitetrash has hit the nail on the head with what he said!

And to make the night complete, I rented Fight Club and watched that afterwards (more imagined going's on!)

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Pretence

At least fight club is a film with purpose and the extent of the characters imagination doesn't lead to the entire plot of the film being imaginery.

I dunno. What do you get from the film only that hes nuts, great.

I'm sure people will argue that it was a great black comedy on different levels and a good p,ss take of the eighties.

But to me a weak ending is a weak ending and that is what I will remember most from the film. The auld Bobby in the shower from Dallas all over again. The kinda essays you wrote in first class with the ending "and then I woke up it was all a dream".