[Article]Bush team 'knew of abuse' at Guantánamo

RuggieBear

Sorry to drag up Guantanomo Bay again but it is just something that makes me sad and angry. The Guardian have an article on it today...i was particularly appalled by the last statement from Rumsfield.....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,13743,1303105,00.html

grumpytrousers

Now that I've accepted that Dubya will win this election, posts like this annoy me even more. Not that i disapprove of 'em, it's just that I try to avoid as much coverage of him/his party as possible...All cos it's so darned depressing.

The average voter in the US doesn't care. At all. Those rag-heads down in Guantanamo have it coming. THEY ALL DID SEPTEMBER THE 11TH you know and even if they didn't, they know somebody who did.

The basis for this analysis? Um...not too sure. BUT IT'S TRUE AND WE'RE UNDER ATTACK and and and...

I'm well aware of that unwritten rule about introducing the Nazis into a discussion, but the parallels here of the 'Big Lie' and that if you repeat it often enough it becomes true is rather disturbing. And ultimately no amount of well intentioned Exposés in the Guardian will ever change the fact that assuming this *does* get reported Stateside, Cleetus the slack jawed yokel and his surprisingly urbane well-heeled town-dwelling cousins will still think it's okay, that them there ay-rabs had it a-comin' and that if it keeps America free, then it's okay.

RuggieBear

grumpytrousers wrote:

Now that I've accepted that Dubya will win this election, posts like this annoy me even more. Not that i disapprove of 'em, it's just that I try to avoid as much coverage of him/his party as possible...All cos it's so darned depressing.

The average voter in the US doesn't care. At all. Those rag-heads down in Guantanamo have it coming. THEY ALL DID SEPTEMBER THE 11TH you know and even if they didn't, they know somebody who did.

The basis for this analysis? Um...not too sure. BUT IT'S TRUE AND WE'RE UNDER ATTACK and and and...

I'm well aware of that unwritten rule about introducing the Nazis into a discussion, but the parallels here of the 'Big Lie' and that if you repeat it often enough it becomes true is rather disturbing. And ultimately no amount of well intentioned Exposés in the Guardian will ever change the fact that assuming this *does* get reported Stateside, Cleetus the slack jawed yokel and his surprisingly urbane well-heeled town-dwelling cousins will still think it's okay, that them there ay-rabs had it a-comin' and that if it keeps America free, then it's okay.

Apologies for annoying you. I can see where your coming from as i've more or less accepted that Bush will win too [SHUDDER].

Hobbes

grumpytrousers wrote:

The average voter in the US doesn't care. At all. Those rag-heads down in Guantanamo have it coming. THEY ALL DID SEPTEMBER THE 11TH you know and even if they didn't, they know somebody who did.

Over a 100 of the people there who were jailed for over 2 years in Guantanamo were in fact innocent and released. Turned out that US was offering $5K reward for every taliban captured, so the Northern Alliance just rounded up strangers on the streets and handed them over to the US for the reward.

But we won't have to worry about that when the "execution room" is completed.

I know what Bush and co are doing are bad, but certainly from news reports I've seen not everyone in the US (and government for that matter) feel the same way.

daveirl

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bonkey

Heh. Rumsfelds last sentence paraphrased :

"Are we as bad as the terorrists? No. So we didn't do anything wrong."

Genius.

jc

grumpytrousers

bonkey wrote:

Heh. Rumsfelds last sentence paraphrased :

"Are we as bad as the terorrists? No. So we didn't do anything wrong."

Genius.

jc

Isn't that like a serial rapist justifying what he did by saying "At least they weren't young boys?"

Gizzard

bonkey wrote:

Heh. Rumsfelds last sentence paraphrased :

"Are we as bad as the terorrists? No. So we didn't do anything wrong."

Genius.

jc

Christ I pray Bush and team dont win again, god help america and the world if they do

sovtek

bonkey wrote:

Heh. Rumsfelds last sentence paraphrased :

"Are we as bad as the terorrists? No. So we didn't do anything wrong."

Genius.

jc

Rummy the Rhetorical...back in action baby!!!!!!

Sand

In a statement, the Pentagon said Hersh's investigation "apparently contains many of the numerous unsubstantiated allegations and inaccuracies which he has made in the past based upon unnamed sources ... Thus far ... investigations have determined that no responsible official of the Department of Defence approved any programme that could conceivably have authorised or condoned the abuses seen at Abu Ghraib. If any of Mr Hersh's anonymous sources wish to come forward and offer evidence to the contrary, the department welcomes them to do so."

This at least is true - Hersh hasnt got much more than unnamed sources. So if you want to believe it then grand, if not theres nothing compelling. Certainly, despite this being story of the century, pulitizer prize winning, Bush presidency destroying material if provable no witness is willing to name themselves?

By the way, a former Kerry aide told me John Kerry was a coward who inflicted 3 wounds on himself to get out of Vietnam, the first one within hours of beginning service in Vietnam. No, I wont name the source. Hey maybe I should ask Hersh to write a book with me about it?

As for Rumsfeld he should have either resigned or been sacked back when Abu Gharib broke and it became clear how long Rumsfeld was sitting on the photos. Hes just a liability at this stage.

sovtek

Sand wrote:

This at least is true - Hersh hasnt got much more than unnamed sources.

No he's also got Justice Department memos, the Red Cross and the grunts on the ground saying basically the same thing.
Then there's the Guardian story where Rummy admits it.

Hes just a liability at this stage.

No he's one the guys who is actually running things. Bush could barely run a baseball team (with alot of help and tax dollars)...much less a country.

Gizzard

Sand wrote:

By the way, a former Kerry aide told me John Kerry was a coward who inflicted 3 wounds on himself to get out of Vietnam, the first one within hours of beginning service in Vietnam. No, I wont name the source. Hey maybe I should ask Hersh to write a book with me about it?

.

At least he went to Nam unlike that pice of garbage Bush and his ghoul Cheney

Gizzard

Sand wrote:

By the way, a former Kerry aide told me John Kerry was a coward who inflicted 3 wounds on himself to get out of Vietnam, the first one within hours of beginning service in Vietnam. No, I wont name the source. Hey maybe I should ask Hersh to write a book with me about it?

.

At least he went to Nam unlike that piece of garbage Bush and his ghoul Cheney

Hobbes

OMG I agree with Sand! :eek:

mycroft

Hobbes wrote:

OMG I agree with Sand! :eek:

I know....I'm scared too children