when i'm 64?

RuggieBear

Thinking of getting myself an AMD64...my current system is in the sig. Would it really be worth getting a AMD64 3000+ and Abit KV8 Pro-3rd Eye Mainboard S754 K8T800PRO, SATA, GbLAN, ATX, Raid?

Would the 64 3000+ at stock quicker than my overclocked 2500 @2220mhz barton?

I really cant afford it but........

Should i just wait for a while till the socket 939s become reasonably priced?

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silverside

personally i wouldnt bother upgrading, your 2500 is probably running at 2700 or 2800 equivalent.

Unless you have 300 euro plus burning a hole in your pocket, why not hang on till next year when socket 939 will be cheaper and get a 3600 or something then. Or you could get an x800. Or a 17" TFT.

RuggieBear

silverside wrote:

personally i wouldnt bother upgrading, your 2500 is probably running at 2700 or 2800 equivalent.

Unless you have 300 euro plus burning a hole in your pocket, why not hang on till next year when socket 939 will be cheaper and get a 3600 or something then. Or you could get an x800. Or a 17" TFT.

Yeah...you're probably right!! I'll just hold off for a while. BTW, where can i pick up a 17in TFT for €300?:D

BadCharlie

Pekelly i think we all would love to upgrade. But i think your computers is very good. Very much like mine and it does me fine. If i was 2 add anything or upgrade anything it would be the Grapics. But at the prices they are at this moment i think ill hang onto my dosh till next year. Anyways doom3 and Farcry play very well on my machine and id say the same for your self prob even better on yours.

ViperVenoM

im in the same situation...i just cant make my mind up ...but i think ill have to force myself to just stick to getting some different ram :rolleyes:

RuggieBear

BadCharlie wrote:

Pekelly i think we all would love to upgrade. But i think your computers is very good. Very much like mine and it does me fine. If i was 2 add anything or upgrade anything it would be the Grapics. But at the prices they are at this moment i think ill hang onto my dosh till next year. Anyways doom3 and Farcry play very well on my machine and id say the same for your self prob even better on yours.

I suppose i'm just a little bit stir crazy....want to get a new motherboard as i just bought an audigy 2 plat that's incompatable with my A7N8X. So i'm thinking that i'll get an Abit....then i'm thinking since i'm spending a 100 euro anyway on a new motherboard i might as well spend a bit more and get another chip and use the A7N8X and XP2500 to build a system for my bro (mainly for deathmatch ).

Basically i have an Audigy2 plat, a case and PSU, 40gig harddrive, dvd drive and cdrw drive, 15in monitor and wireless cards all going to waste. If i get a new motherboard and cpu i'm practically saving money amn't I!!!???

Sound crazy don't I?


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BKtje

Would the 64 3000+ at stock quicker than my overclocked 2500 @2220mhz barton?

It would be about the same speed, but you could overclock the A64.
In a clock cycle to clock cycle comparison the A64(newcaslte) has about a 10% advantage over the XP. A clawhammer would have a bit extra on top of that due to the 1mb of l2 cache.

Atm the performance difference in games between a 754 and a 939 is nothing. Infact in the doom3 benchmark recently the 754 beat the equivalent 939 by about .4fps. While .4fps is nothing you gotta remember you paid a lot extra for the 939 and it still is outperformed. The dual channel performance probably does help in other apps and stuff but atm the on chip memory controller doesnt seem to need dual channel for gaming (generally).

All the above is my opionion from what i've read yadayadayada

I wouldnt bother getting A64 just yet but if your going to be changing your mobo anyway you may save yourself money in the long run...

RuggieBear

B-K-DzR wrote:

I wouldnt bother getting A64 just yet but if your going to be changing your mobo anyway you may save yourself money in the long run...

And therein lies my procrastination!!! The way i figure it is, I spend 300euro and i improve my machine and build a pretty decent one for my bro...admitedly the graphics card is only a ti4200 (but by god i love that card!!! )

Can a 64 bit 3000+ be overclocked on its stock cooler?

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GinjaNinja

Hi i've got the A64 2800+
You can overclock these on stock coolers.
From all the threads I've read on the overclock of these and personel experience, will get about about an extra .1ghz after that it's all dependant on the RAM you have, because the memory controller is on the chip the more you overclock the fussier the RAM gets. so If your getting the A64 get good RAM and your laughin.
I've mine overclocked to 2ghz from stock 1.8ghz. That on stock cooling with only a 3'c increase in temps....not bad at all....

But aside from the overclockability these processors are great and kick the ass off the 32-bit limited equivilant. Gaming in WinXP 64bit is generally getting much better erformance thatn in 32-bit. So I'd personely say Yea get yourself a good set-up. for 330 This is pretty good IMHO.
komplett . Haven't heard much about the mo'board but do the research
Check out this site for everything A64 wise from gaming, OS, Overclocking, Hardware etc.
Planetamd64

Enjoy your new system if you get it.

RuggieBear

Just realised that i'd probably be underpowered with my smartblue 350watter if i got an A64 3000 and overclocked it. So i'd be looking at another 80+ for a decent PSU....jebus i wish i was loaded!!! Just one thing after another!!!

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Töpher

A64 3000 can be pushed to 2.45Ghz and in some cases 2.5Ghz on air.
Like here. The new Corsair XMS XL series might let you push it even further.

GinjaNinja

not so

i'm using a be quiet it's only a 350w PSU. Very stable indeed. I've had no problems overclocking with it at all.
Running a 9800Pro and DVDRW, SATA, Loads of fans, lights,
you've not need to upgrade the PSU

BKtje

From all the threads I've read on the overclock of these and personel experience, will get about about an extra .1ghz after that it's all dependant on the RAM you have

Ram is always important but u can just loosen the memory timings or increase the vdimm if necessary (or u can use a divider to keep the tighter timings that the A64's love).

because the memory controller is on the chip the more you overclock the fussier the RAM gets

Im afraid you've lost me there. True ive found that the more u release the timings the more performance u can actually loose in gaming but i dunno about it being fussy as such. Would u mind explaining what you mean.

Good ram is always important no matter what system you get but tight timings are extra important if you want to get the most outta the A64. It will work just fine with even cheap ram tho ( as long as the mobo u get doesnt have a problem with it ).

A64 3000 can be pushed to 2.45Ghz and in some cases 2.5Ghz on air.

It depends on the board as much as the cooling*. Ive gotten my 3200 (clawhammer so its a 2ghz) to 2.508 on a vapo. I think theres more room witht he cpu but the mobo is a little fussy (that said its still a great motherboard). I cant really say how far u can really push it on air and have it rock solid. I dont totally trust those sites as they do do tests but not long stint solidness if you know what i mean.

Im not sure about your PSU. A 350w might power if if you dont have too power hungry a gfx card and how many things your running offa it. At stock you'd probably be fine but if you start overclocking a lot u may (or may not) run into problems.

The corsair xms xl ram is indeed top quyality stuff but not what i think u'd want seeing as u aint really upgrading your whole system but just lookin to upgrade the cpu/mobo.

*they would have used a top of the line air cooler

Col_Loki

Just realised that i'd probably be underpowered with my smartblue 350watter if i got an A64 3000 and overclocked it. So i'd be looking at another 80+ for a decent PSU....jebus i wish i was loaded!!! Just one thing after another!!!

The fact that you have an Antec PSU is a good thing, TBH it will prob be ok..... i would generally recomend 380w+ of a decent brand for that type of system mainly because i like to cover the event that someone is getting up close to 2.5ghz and using higher Vcore.........


[/QUOTE]A64 3000 can be pushed to 2.45Ghz and in some cases 2.5Ghz on air.
Like here. The new Corsair XMS XL series might let you push it even further.

Yup, it depends on the motherboard and CPU mainly. The AMD64 doesent suffer from using dividers like the XP's did so even if you get Pc3200 Ram you can still overclock the CPU without probs.

There was something about double dual sided memory causing problems, but i think the newer CG revision helped that along.

If your getting an AMD64 system get the Tray version and a Zalman 7000. I think it works out roughly the same price as the Box version but with a much better heatsink..........

Average overclock used to be 10% due to AGP/PCI lock, now that thats sorted its all about messing with some settings, newer BIOS revisions, memory tweaking........ but when you get it right its going to perform pretty damm well.

[edit]Doh got beat to the punch........