Athlon 64 running temp

[CrimsonGhost]

I've an athlon 64 3000+. When idle it generally runs about 60-61 degrees, when under heavy load with games etc it goes 70-72 degrees. This seems kinda high to me. Is it normal?

I've stock heatsink/fan on it, and a well aired case.

silverside

seems very high, mine is standard 35-37, load up to 45, but I have a thermaltake silent boost and arctic silver paste.

silverside

any chance your temp gauge is running in Fahrenheit?

silverside

scratch that idea : 72 F = 22 C

Pacifico

Yeah mine idles at about 33 and 44 under load with Cool & Quiet disabled.

That sounds very high. Heatsink seated properly?

[CrimsonGhost]

Okay, now I'm worried, Heat sink definitely seated properly, locked right into play. I think I'll take it apart tonight though and double check everything.

Zakalwe

Check your bios revision. Some boards report temperatures arseways. Early MSI BIOSes are notorious for this. Upgrade to the latest version and check again.

What program are you using to check the temp? Try Mother Monitor 5. It contains correction for many motherboards that present the wrong temperature.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

my 3400+ A64 runs at about 42 idle and 50-52 under load. I thought this was high. This is on stock cooling. CHech the backing plate is screwed in properly and that the thermal pad/ thermal plase is making contact between the heatsink and the die of the CPU. Defo should not run that hot.

[CrimsonGhost]

Originally posted by Zakalwe
Check your bios revision. Some boards report temperatures arseways. Early MSI BIOSes are notorious for this. Upgrade to the latest version and check again.

What program are you using to check the temp? Try Mother Monitor 5. It contains correction for many motherboards that present the wrong temperature.

I've an MSI board, alright, but the machine has clapped out on a few occasions, so i'm fairly sure it is running hot.

vector

My 1900 XP runs at 60 - 65 normal, and 75 load.

It is on 12 hours a day, and only crashes about once a month, (it resets). Its been like that for 1.5 years and apart from a shorter life I see no problem.

Pacifico

What graphics card have you got? It can add a good few degrees to a system.

What kind of case cooling have you got? Add more fans?

[CrimsonGhost]

Originally posted by Axel
What graphics card have you got? It can add a good few degrees to a system.

What kind of case cooling have you got? Add more fans?

Saphire Radeon 9600 Xt with 256Mb memory on it.

I've a side fan and two back fans blowing into the case.
A top fan blowing out of the case, and a psu fan also blowing out and to the back of the case, This is immediately above the cpu so any hot air rising off it gets extracted immediately. Like I said, a well aired case. Also alot of vent holes in it.

Col_Loki

The MSI board has a new bios thats out that should sort out the problem.

Its shows up newcastle cored AMD64's at crazy temps as you would suggest there. A BIOS revision should see you around the 45'C mark which is grand.

The possbile reason for the restarts or whatever is the safety settings in the BIOS, it reboot/shutdown if temp goes over 70'C or 75'C or whatever its set to.

Use the new BIOS and things should be cleared up........ PS what heatsink?

[CrimsonGhost]

Yeah, i've just downloaded bios revision 1.7. I'll flash it this evening. I'm using the stock heatsink/fan that came with the chip. Hopefully it'll sort it and also get cool n'quiet working on it too.

I'll post tomorrow and tell you how it goes.

BKtje

The MSI board has a new bios thats out that should sort out the problem.

It seems to have sorted out the Newcastle temp problems but Clawhammer users are still getting high temps.

Im assuming you have the msi k8n neo plat? If so there is an official 1.2 BIOS out. Dunno about the 1.7, never heard of it tbh. Then again you could have the old MSI board (nforce2 ? ).

[CrimsonGhost]

I've the MSI K8T NEO-FIS2R. And got the 1.7 bios from http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/bios/bos/spt_bos_detail.php?UID=496&kind=1

Matt Simis

Originally posted by [CrimsonGhost]
I've an athlon 64 3000+. When idle it generally runs about 60-61 degrees, when under heavy load with games etc it goes 70-72 degrees. This seems kinda high to me. Is it normal?

I've stock heatsink/fan on it, and a well aired case.

Its really odd, I have a MachII super cooler on the A64 2.2GHz, it was around 5 under load (which is hot for phase change). I sent the MachII off for repair/refill, and put the a massive 640g heatsink on the A64, I expected temps lower than our other A64 (35-40c). However this one is 63c IDLE! Ive tried remounting and different heatsinks, makes no difference. I dont get it, either the board or the CPU is reading temps wrong. The heatsink gets quite hot too, so Im kinda starting to consider that perhaps this one CPU just outputs loads of heat (it was overvolted when cooled by the MachII..)


Really annoying.



Matt

Col_Loki

Its a common enought problem from what i gather with the MSI boards and newcastle chips. The 3200+ 2.2ghz is a newcastle core CG revision....... so a BIOS update should sort out the temp issue. Alot of people have been getting worried about this , change the BIOS and theres 20-30'C difference in the temps its crazy.

It seems to have sorted out the Newcastle temp problems but Clawhammer users are still getting high temps.

I thought the newest BIOS deals with both the newcastle and the clawhammer temps?

tuxy

do msi alway mess up on this?
when i had my msi p4 motherboard it used to show temps much higher than they were before i flashed to to the latest bios
im staying clear of msi from now on

BKtje

I thought the newest BIOS deals with both the newcastle and the clawhammer temps?

Apparently not. A lot of people with clawhammers claim that the bios changes had no affect on their temps. Either the clawhammers run hotter or it doesnt affect em.

Accordin the the Vapo chill the cpu is at -23 to -15 but the mobo monitor claims 11-16. Id be more inclined to believe the vapo as i cant believe that its at 11 when idle with a vapo.

Matt: i dunno how a mach2 works, wether it has an inbuilt temp detection or wether your just reading the temp from the motherboard. If its the mobo id be mroe inclined to think the motherboard is wrong.

Zakalwe

Originally posted by B-K-DzR
Apparently not. A lot of people with clawhammers claim that the bios changes had no affect on their temps. Either the clawhammers run hotter or it doesnt affect em.

Accordin the the Vapo chill the cpu is at -23 to -15 but the mobo monitor claims 11-16. Id be more inclined to believe the vapo as i cant believe that its at 11 when idle with a vapo.

Matt: i dunno how a mach2 works, wether it has an inbuilt temp detection or wether your just reading the temp from the motherboard. If its the mobo id be mroe inclined to think the motherboard is wrong.

Just looking at your system specs in your sig. Did you try the rig on air? If so how far did it go? I've got an MSI Neo Plat, 3200+ and 1GB DDR500 RAM on order. I've got a Zalman ALCU going on top of the CPU and the case is an Antec P160

Matt Simis

Originally posted by B-K-DzR
Apparently not. A lot of people with clawhammers claim that the bios changes had no affect on their temps. Either the clawhammers run hotter or it doesnt affect em.

Accordin the the Vapo chill the cpu is at -23 to -15 but the mobo monitor claims 11-16. Id be more inclined to believe the vapo as i cant believe that its at 11 when idle with a vapo.

Matt: i dunno how a mach2 works, wether it has an inbuilt temp detection or wether your just reading the temp from the motherboard. If its the mobo id be mroe inclined to think the motherboard is wrong.

Those figures are from ther BIOS (Shuttle AN50R, NF3 150). Incidentally, my MachII broke as the temp sensor in the cooling head failed (this is unrelated and connected to the temp sensor in BIOS). Im getting it repaired (and "suped up" to a R505 gas), Im just concerned that these high temps (if they are real) fried it.


Matt

Matt Simis

After reading this I checked if a newer bios was available. A new one was released recently, temps are now 40ish, much improved. I guess the MachII cooling masked the temp sensor bug until I had to go back to air cooling!



Matt

BKtje

Just looking at your system specs in your sig. Did you try the rig on air?

I havent, got the vapo before the i got the cpu so i haven im afraid. M8 of mine has the 3400+ clawhammer on air but i dont think he's overclocked. Ill talk to him.

Just so you know the mis k8n neo plat isnt without its problems. There a fair rake of em tbh and you may be better of with another board but what i can say. When this board works, its loverly. It just needs a decent BIOS. (even when it works loverly one day, the next it sometimes has problems for no reason, tis very weird. That said i dont think id swap it )

[CrimsonGhost]

So I'd downloaded the v1.7 bios for my mother board. Normally I'd just boot from a win98 cd and use the dos available through that and flash from floppy, but the instructions made it very clear not to flash from floppy. So I had to hook up a ide drive, it was quicker than trying to setup win98 dos drivers for my SATA drive. That done my bios update was done in a flash</pun_intended>.

So rehook up my sata drive and reboot. Yup we have bios v1.7 showing. Grand, but it didn't fix the problem, still giving inaccurate temp reading. I've a temp sensor sitting in the middle of my heat sink at the bottom of the fins, that was giving a reading of about 32 degrees, when the MB was reporting 72 degrees and rebooting my machine. There is no way there is a difference of 40 degrees between the CPU temp and the centre of the heatsink, so problem still exists. I've mailed MSI this morning, hopefully they'll give me a response later today, it's is damn annoying.

Any other suggestions of routes I can take? I bought the board from komplett, so if it is faulty I'm assuming I can return it easily enough?

BKtje

Well if your sure that the temp is wrong you can probably disable the shutdown at 70+ degrees. While it wont stop te wrong temps it would at lest stop your pc from rebooting.

Pacifico

After adding a 9800 Xt to my system and an extra fan my idle temps has jumped up by about 12 degrees :eek:

Uses to have 33 now 45/46 with all fans on full speed. The side of the case gets hot! Anyone have any ideas on how to reduce theses temps? Ive a total of 6 fans in my PC at the mo. 2 intake, out take fans, one on Graphics Card and one on the A64 3000+.

Any advice?

btw with the side off the case for a while the Processor is running at 35 degrees!

silverside

get an iceberg (sp?) gfx cooler. It takes up another PCI slot but exhausts the hot air from the gfx card directly. They are cheap (<15 EUR) and easy to install. And install ATItool to underclock your card when not gaming.

And install cool n quiet (both software driver and in the BIOS) which will slow your athlon down to 1000MHZ at idle with ensuing reduction in heat.

tuxy

does it realy matter once it isnt getting too hot?

silverside

No not really, but I like it as cool as possible, Cool -> Fans can run slower -> Quieter PC -> More relaxed me

Pacifico

Originally posted by silverside
get an iceberg (sp?) gfx cooler. It takes up another PCI slot but exhausts the hot air from the gfx card directly. They are cheap (<15 EUR) and easy to install. And install ATItool to underclock your card when not gaming.

And install cool n quiet (both software driver and in the BIOS) which will slow your athlon down to 1000MHZ at idle with ensuing reduction in heat.

I'd imagine thats pritty hard to install?

Also i have ATI tool. How do you underclock it?

Thanks

silverside

Something like this - set up a 2d profile.

and make sure atitool runs at startup.

Pacifico

Originally posted by silverside
Something like this - set up a 2d profile.

and make sure atitool runs at startup.

Did that. Reduced the temps about 2 Degrees :dunno:

Where can you get that artic cooler 3 for €15 btw? Is it just online?

silverside

cant remember where I got it or exactly how much i paid (was online)

Azza

Getting 42 degrees idle stock temp with a Zalman CNPS 7000a cu and artic silver 5 paste. Little bit dissapointed with those temps. I had no difference in temp when I changed bios from 1.1 to 1.2. They were both the same.

Hi Matt
now that your getting your MACH II regassed (R505 that the gas thats puts on par with the GT version). So I assume your now keeping it now?

Anyway good luck with it.

Pacifico

Ah ok. Ill get it off Overclockers.co.uk so £9 plus P+P

Is it hard to instal? The heatsink looks awfully complicated....

Edit: Wont be able to use it As the card i have allready takes up 2 pci slots, so the cooler would be blowing onto metal, unless i get out my Drill

silverside

no, 10-20 minutes tops.

just be a bit careful taking off the original heatsink, clean off the old paste, put on some new paste, line up the HS correctly ( use 2 pieces of spaghetti for this), screw the clamps back on, connect up the fan power, and reinstall the card+cooler in adjacent slots.

i might have made it sound more complex than it is - you do get instructions

Pacifico

Originally posted by silverside
no, 10-20 minutes tops.

just be a bit careful taking off the original heatsink, clean off the old paste, put on some new paste, line up the HS correctly ( use 2 pieces of spaghetti for this), screw the clamps back on, connect up the fan power, and reinstall the card+cooler in adjacent slots.

i might have made it sound more complex than it is - you do get instructions

Check out my Edit I dont see why it needs two PCI slots :dunno:

Who the hell designed this heatsink??? The bloody hot air blows back into the case!

silverside

well it does a lot better than the stock cooling for not a lot of money, I've no real complaints. No doubt there are water-cooling solutions etc out there, but i'm not the man to ask.

Pacifico

Originally posted by silverside

well it does a lot better than the stock cooling for not a lot of money, I've no real complaints. No doubt there are water-cooling solutions etc out there, but i'm not the man to ask.

I ment the Stock one, the artic cooler one looks excellent. Cant have it though

ionapaul

Got a A64 3000+ w/stock cooler and heatsink, with Cool'n'Quiet enabled, which runs in the low 40s idle, up to the low 50s load. It ran a good bit higher without C'n'Q enabled.
What is the difference between the A64 cpu cores?

Zakalwe

Originally posted by ionapaul
Got a A64 3000+ w/stock cooler and heatsink, with Cool'n'Quiet enabled, which runs in the low 40s idle, up to the low 50s load. It ran a good bit higher without C'n'Q enabled.
What is the difference between the A64 cpu cores?

You mean Clawhammer and Newcastle?

The Clawhammer 3200+ runs at 2.0GHz but has a 1MB cache
The Newcastle 3200+ runs at 2.2GHz but only has a 512kb cache.

The Newcastle is the newer range.

BKtje

ALl newcastles come with the cG revision.
While only some of the clawhammers do (i think the newer ones).

The difference you ask? The cG has a more robust memory controller which heps with overclocking.