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Online AA badbeat to beat them all!

  • 08-07-2004 2:10pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭


    Hey all,

    just had to post this to see if anyone has heard anything similar and to get smoke coming out of Dev's ears!

    playing on party poker and just got knocked out of a 10$ sit and go tournie.

    down to 5 players and I'm 2nd chip position (~2500).

    i get the rockets, guy before me goes all in for bout 600, so i do the obvious and reraise all in over the top, as i only want 1 caller all in with AA.

    anyways.....guy after me, the chipleader, goes all in over the top of both of us!!?

    turn over cards, I have AA, guy before me also has AA and the last guy has KK!!!!!

    you can imagine what happens, flop comes down with a K and me settling for an amazing split pot turns into a virtual walk home.....

    i know the odds of KK beating AA is something like 8-1, but added to the odds of the hole cards falling like that on a 5 handed table is astronomical!!? :confused:

    ouch,
    Karl


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭Juan Pablo


    Suspicions. I've uninstalled UB because of the regularity of said occurances. A bit dodgepot if ya ask me.


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Astronomical indeed. The chances of being dealt AA twice in a row is 1 in 44K+
    The chances of two hands being AA in a single deal are considerably higher. Multiply that by the chances of *another* hand having KK and hitting a king and you are into something approaching the Theory of Big Numbers.

    I think thats orders of magnitude worse then any bad beat I've had...!

    DeV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 799 ✭✭✭dirkey_wynne


    How's this. Buddy of mine was playing recently online in a sit and go. Got AA. Was raised before him, he re-raised. All folded but for two guys to his right - one being the original raiser, who both called. Anyway, flop comes AAJ. First to act goes all in, and is called by the second guy. Both all in - the buddy had enough to call with a tiny bit to spare. You can only imagine his delight. Cards are shown - they both have KK. Interesting bets from the pair of them - with 2 A's on the table. Anyway, buddy was dancing around the room. Turn comes 10 - suited with the J, and one of the A's on the table - all hearts. And wouldn't you know the river brings a Qh. So one guy had the royal! I mean it's rare enough you see quads...let alone quad aces - and on the flop too!!! And to see some action with them - how happy would you be!! Poor git.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    Originally posted by DeVore
    Astronomical indeed. The chances of being dealt AA twice in a row is 1 in 44K+
    The chances of two hands being AA in a single deal are considerably higher. Multiply that by the chances of *another* hand having KK and hitting a king and you are into something approaching the Theory of Big Numbers.

    I think thats orders of magnitude worse then any bad beat I've had...!

    DeV.

    I got AA back to back on partypoker yesterday, and today on pokerroom another guy and I had AA in the same hand - we were raising the hell out of each other until the very end of course :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 580 ✭✭✭kencleary


    Heh i've been on the other end of this bad beat. My first time ever in the Fitz playing the Holdem/Omaha game on Saturday night I went all-in with a pair of pocket fives. Got two callers and both turned over a pair of aces and of course the flop brought a 5 and I tripled through :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 sirchancealot


    I had AA in an online tourney all in against another AA an he made a flush,I was out.

    I had 99 in a 10/20 limit game flop was A93 me and this guy went toe to toe raising the max,turn was a 3 again we bet the max,river was a blank.....as you can guess he had 33.You know that feeling when you are saying come to papa and the pot goes across the table the wrong way.

    Worst on line moment for me was flopping AAX while holding AA then getting disconnected and re connecting to see me sitting out I think I got about $20/30 in a 5/10 game.

    Best on line moment again 10/20 I had 45s in the cut off there was a raise in EP but called by about 6 players so I called, then a re raise by the sb and another by the original raiser,so eight to see the flop for $40 each,I flopped and straight and open ended straight flush,there was loads of action with a few players dropping out but I took down a pot of $870......my biggest single win to date.

    Another time I made a full house that I was slow playing,then started raising and re raising this guy and while re raising on the river about to put in the last bet I accidently moved the mouse over FOLD/SHOW..........and folded,the table errupted in lols/lmaos etc......

    I spoke to another guy who was playing no limit game in vegas He got KK and got plenty of pre flop action from QQ

    flop was KQQ (Turn) K (river) X

    The two of them were all in for a few thousand each and when they turned over their cards, the QQ guy went ballistic and tried to grab his chips out of the pot,he ended up being escorted out by security.He supposedly said he had just thrown his whole college fees into the pot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    Originally posted by DeVore
    Astronomical indeed. The chances of being dealt AA twice in a row is 1 in 44K+
    The chances of two hands being AA in a single deal are considerably higher. Multiply that by the chances of *another* hand having KK and hitting a king and you are into something approaching the Theory of Big Numbers.

    I think thats orders of magnitude worse then any bad beat I've had...!

    DeV.

    If you play online regularly you will see things like this happen often enough. Not because the flops arent random, or the cards are fixed or whatever, but because of the amount of hands your seeing. The first time I saw AA vs AA I was a little taken aback, Ive seen it a couple of times now. The one in 44,000 number seems large, but Ive gotten A's back to back more than once, but Ive played well over 100k hands, so it would be stranger if it didnt happen.

    Paul Philips got A's back to back at the WSOP a few years ago, and lost both times!

    Daragh


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    Partypoker are dealing hundreds of thousands of hands a day so inevitably these odd deals are going to come up a lot more often. The odds of getting Aces are 221 to 1, so getting them twice in row are 221 x 221 i.e. 48,841 to 1 against, unless I don't understand how odds work, which is entirely possible :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    Playing a mtt the night before, I just got moved to a new table and I raised one off the button with 48 of diamonds. The guy on the button was on the same table as me previously and we had tangled a few times, I knew at the this stage he was ready to make a stand with pretty much anything. He called, as did the BB. Flop comes up:
    568, the 6 was a diamond, so I had a pretty concealed top pair, inside straight draw and a backdoor flush draw. I bet the pot hoping he goes all in over my ahead with overcards, which he promptly does; BB folds. He shows 77, so Im ahead with my 8's. Next card is the 7 of diamonds giving him a set but me the straight. River is a horrible 5 pairing the board and giving him the full house. I turn away in disgust, but when I turn around I have all the chips, turns out the 5 was a diamond giving me the straight flush!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Well the odds of two hands being AA is

    4/52 * 3/51 * 2/50 *1/49

    So in a ten handed game its that by 5

    1/54145

    I personally have seen it once and by my maths i've playd about 20000 hands of poker :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,221 ✭✭✭Davey Devil


    I've seen it happen to Macker from The Fitz twice in one game. Once against me and then later at the final table against another oppenent. Before that night I'd never seen it before and then it happens twice to one guy. Anything is possible in poker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭Healio


    I was on Pacific Poker the other day in a ten-seater no limit. Down to final two, I was dealt KK and went all in, the flop came KKA to my delight, then the turn comes A then the river also shows an ace, so there i am feeling extremely confident, then the spine-crunching agony, the other guy turns over A4 and takes the tourny with four aces compared to my four kings.


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    PHB has the odds correct (at a glance), the odds are much higher then 221^2 : 1 because thats the chances of you being dealt aces twice in a row. Getting all four into two hands is far less likely.

    DeV.


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